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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Oct 1, 2019 11:49:18 GMT
Im suprised Riot Quest was metal, multi-part minis, for a game that I'm guessing PP want to appeal to non-warmachine players as well, having to assemble and paint the figures makes the barrier to entry so much higher, and likely loses most board gamers
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Post by shmeep on Oct 1, 2019 12:13:14 GMT
Im suprised Riot Quest was metal, multi-part minis, for a game that I'm guessing PP want to appeal to non-warmachine players as well, having to assemble and paint the figures makes the barrier to entry so much higher, and likely loses most board gamers that's a really dumb move. nevermind just the assembly, the fact that it's metal is the real kicker. I'm learning the hard way right now just how much of a pain in the arse assembling metal minis is.
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Post by charlzheimer on Oct 1, 2019 12:19:49 GMT
I just skip his stuff ususally, ain't worth the trouble I don't think his posts are that hard to read. They tend to range from amusing to very stupid, but I'm willing to invest the 5-10 seconds it takes to decypher them. when you constantly write like that its hard to take anything posted seriously. wich doesn't help when you try to bring forth a legit argument. there are no rules regarding language use so he doesn't do anything wrong. but you don't see me (or anyone else) constantly using their own native tongue and expecting folks to use google translate.
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Post by michael on Oct 1, 2019 12:32:23 GMT
I reported his gibberish several times but unfortunately nobody cared. Just had to learn to skip his posts as I didn't find an "ignore" option. I, myself, have heard nothing but positive buzz around Riot Quest. I am not plugged into the social media blogosphere so their lack of tweeting or whatever about the game is meaningless to me. I’ve heard plenty of good word-of-mouth about it. So...? So, you're here on this forum, which means you know PP and their product, and likely that's the reason your friends have the game as well. But let's imagine you're an average boardgamer, see the box somewhere, it catches your attention, you go home, google it and all you get is quickwatercanoe.wordpress.com/2013/11/24/review-riot-quest-10-2/You check Boardgamegeek which is by far the largest board game community/data repository, and the game's page is dead as if it was some forgotten bad game from the 80's. No hot reviews, no YT videos, no discussion. And all this now, when sending a copy of their first test prints to major reviewers/paying them to do how to play videos is probably the first (and best)things board game companies do to promote their new game. If they don't it's like a clear signal that they have little to be proud of, because why on earth wouldn't they do this if they believe the game is good? Just FYI: Privateer released a “how to play Riot Quest” video on July 24, before the game even released.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Oct 1, 2019 14:16:16 GMT
Isn't Riot Quest DoA btw? I tried googling for reviews of Riot Quest and...found none ? Haven't PP sent copies to major online reviewers like Shut Up&Sit Down, Dice Tower, Rahdo and others ? If they haven't it is not hard to assume that it was to avoid honest opinion on the game (nothing to be proud of?), because otherwise it makes no sense not to push a good product through the most visible promotion channels there are. Honestly, when I try to google "Riot Quest" I get plenty of relevant results? Including the official page, youtube videos, some blog posts and ways to buy it. Though I agree that adding "review" to the search terms muddies t he results.
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Post by shmeep on Oct 1, 2019 14:24:51 GMT
Isn't Riot Quest DoA btw? I tried googling for reviews of Riot Quest and...found none ? Haven't PP sent copies to major online reviewers like Shut Up&Sit Down, Dice Tower, Rahdo and others ? If they haven't it is not hard to assume that it was to avoid honest opinion on the game (nothing to be proud of?), because otherwise it makes no sense not to push a good product through the most visible promotion channels there are. Honestly, when I try to google "Riot Quest" I get plenty of relevant results? Including the official page, youtube videos, some blog posts and ways to buy it. Though I agree that adding "review" to the search terms muddies t he results. most if not all of the standalone RQ minis have been snatched the second they hit the shelves in MiniMarket, but there's still plenty of stock of the box itself. I'm guessing most of the RQ sales will be people who want to add the new solos to their WMH armies rather than people actually buying into the game.
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Post by michael on Oct 1, 2019 15:31:59 GMT
Im suprised Riot Quest was metal, multi-part minis, for a game that I'm guessing PP want to appeal to non-warmachine players as well, having to assemble and paint the figures makes the barrier to entry so much higher, and likely loses most board gamers that's a really dumb move. nevermind just the assembly, the fact that it's metal is the real kicker. I'm learning the hard way right now just how much of a pain in the arse assembling metal minis is. What makes you think their intended audience is board game players or people who don’t enjoy the hobby side of miniatures?
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Post by shmeep on Oct 1, 2019 16:16:50 GMT
that's a really dumb move. nevermind just the assembly, the fact that it's metal is the real kicker. I'm learning the hard way right now just how much of a pain in the arse assembling metal minis is. What makes you think their intended audience is board game players or people who don’t enjoy the hobby side of miniatures? I was specifically talking about the metal minis bit. Dunno, maybe I'm insane and nobody agrees with me, I just don't like working with metal minis. Making the minis in metal will appeal to the hardcore 'full metal fantasy' crowd, but they're probably going to buy the product anyway. (the standalones, at least.) Since RQ is supposed to be at least a bit closer to entry level than WMH, using plastic for the minis would've made the barrier for entry at least a bit less steep. I don't actually mind assembly, but I do wish the PP models could be modified at least a bit more without having to do a full surgery. plastic's easier to work with in that regard, too.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Oct 1, 2019 16:52:40 GMT
Although I like metal minis, but I am the minority in my group and most of my friends are metal hater. Nonetheless, assemble and paint the miniature is a painful job if what you want is a simple board game. Although I have no information on Riot Quest.
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Post by michael on Oct 1, 2019 17:02:19 GMT
Privateer is quite skilled at making metal miniatures. Presumably metal is the most cost-effective route for production given existing constraints.
(They’re pretty darn good with resin minis too, but who knows? Maybe the warehouse move dictated the choice of materials somehow?)
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Post by Charistoph on Oct 1, 2019 17:18:02 GMT
I like the weight of my metal models. That being said, the round "posts" and sockets, or just flat surfaces, make the gluing hard.
I've heard Corvus Belli has changed to rectangular posts and sockets for their latest lines, and they're working well. I just heard this, and haven't really followed up on it to know, but it sounds promising.
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Post by shmeep on Oct 1, 2019 17:23:18 GMT
I like the weight of my metal models. That being said, the round "posts" and sockets, or just flat surfaces, make the gluing hard. I've heard Corvus Belli has changed to rectangular posts and sockets for their latest lines, and they're working well. I just heard this, and haven't really followed up on it to know, but it sounds promising. I'd describe my experience with assembling my Venator Reivers so far as nightmarish, but I've had nightmares that were more pleasant than this. My first experience with assembly was the battlebox models, they were a breeze to assemble even when I didn't have a clue what I was doing (I cut and filed off the base inserts!!!). in contrast, these Firetruckers refuse to stay assembled even after extensive pinning, gluing and greenstuffing. god, I hate metal minis.
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Post by michael on Oct 1, 2019 17:33:34 GMT
I just I'd describe my experience with assembling my Venator Reivers so far as nightmarish, but I've had nightmares that were more pleasant than this. My first experience with assembly was the battlebox models, they were a breeze to assemble even when I didn't have a clue what I was doing (I cut and filed off the base inserts!!!). in contrast, these Firetruckers refuse to stay assembled even after extensive pinning, gluing and greenstuffing. god, I hate metal minis. The Venator Reiver models are also like 12 years old. Privateer got much better after the ~2004-2009 sculpting era. If you had problems with assembling the Riot Quest models (aside from what’s-her-name, Widget?), and they won’t stay together even after pinning them, then you are doing something wrong. That is user error, not a fault of the model itself.
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Post by shmeep on Oct 1, 2019 18:23:47 GMT
I just I'd describe my experience with assembling my Venator Reivers so far as nightmarish, but I've had nightmares that were more pleasant than this. My first experience with assembly was the battlebox models, they were a breeze to assemble even when I didn't have a clue what I was doing (I cut and filed off the base inserts!!!). in contrast, these Firetruckers refuse to stay assembled even after extensive pinning, gluing and greenstuffing. god, I hate metal minis. The Venator Reiver models are also like 12 years old. Privateer got much better after the ~2004-2009 sculpting era. If you had problems with assembling the Riot Quest models (aside from what’s-her-name, Widget?), and they won’t stay together even after pinning them, then you are doing something wrong. That is user error, not a fault of the model itself. I haven't bought any RQ models yet. The newest metal sculpt I own is Elara2, I think, and I haven't tried to pin her yet. As a side note, drop the emojis, you come across as incredibly condescending. Unless that's the idea, in which case you know where those pins can go.
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Post by Charistoph on Oct 1, 2019 18:53:22 GMT
I like the weight of my metal models. That being said, the round "posts" and sockets, or just flat surfaces, make the gluing hard. I've heard Corvus Belli has changed to rectangular posts and sockets for their latest lines, and they're working well. I just heard this, and haven't really followed up on it to know, but it sounds promising. I'd describe my experience with assembling my Venator Reivers so far as nightmarish, but I've had nightmares that were more pleasant than this. My first experience with assembly was the battlebox models, they were a breeze to assemble even when I didn't have a clue what I was doing (I cut and filed off the base inserts!!!). in contrast, these Firetruckers refuse to stay assembled even after extensive pinning, gluing and greenstuffing. god, I hate metal minis. Oddly enough, I found the Reivers easier than the Nyss Hunters. I completed my Reivers in one try, and they've been sitting primed for months now. I just finished the Nyss Hunters on my third attempt at them this weekend, right before I added the metal bits to my Steelhead Cavalry. But, yeah, putting them together sucks.
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