luckgod84
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Post by luckgod84 on Jul 25, 2019 18:03:27 GMT
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Jul 27, 2019 10:41:35 GMT
I have always been a fan of the thought of super buffed Sword Knights with Jakes, so i really like your thinking on the list!
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Post by Aegis on Jul 29, 2019 5:15:31 GMT
I like the new Heavy Metal a lot.
Giving access to Thorn and Ol'Rowdy to all casters will make the theme pretty interesting with many of them, expecially Darius and the Nemos!
Also, it's now the only theme where you can play the Caine0+Thunderhead combo, that I think it's pretty nasty, expecially since it stacks with Nemo3 feat.
Time to remove dust from some of my beginning of MK3 Darius lists!
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Aug 10, 2019 21:06:49 GMT
Thinking about it, Ol Rowdy seems like the perfect jack for her. Sprint, Escort and Counter Charge sounds like a really nice package and she appreciates focus efficient jacks tremendously. That and the requisition system not punishing her for bringing Sword Knights makes her look like a caster worth looking into, imo.
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snoozer
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Post by snoozer on Aug 10, 2019 21:16:29 GMT
Ol`Rowdy and Kraye with Admonition. This is going to be brilliant  |
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Aug 10, 2019 21:46:23 GMT
Kraye is just stealing all the glory atm. His shackles are broken!
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Post by darkangeldentist on Aug 10, 2019 21:46:57 GMT
Ol`Rowdy and Kraye with Admonition. This is going to be brilliant Recently got to try Kraye with Brickhouse using admonition in storm division. That was utterly brilliant. |
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Post by mydnight on Aug 10, 2019 22:18:58 GMT
Ol`Rowdy and Kraye with Admonition. This is going to be brilliant Is the admonition--coutercharge combo really that good? From what I understand, if someone charges you and you admonition away, then counter charge them, they will get to make their charge attack against you. If it's a beast/jack it can they buy attacks. Doesn't that kill most of the point of admonition? |
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Post by michael on Aug 10, 2019 22:47:24 GMT
Ol`Rowdy and Kraye with Admonition. This is going to be brilliant Is the admonition--coutercharge combo really that good? From what I understand, if someone charges you and you admonition away, then counter charge them, they will get to make their charge attack against you. If it's a beast/jack it can they buy attacks. Doesn't that kill most of the point of admonition? Not if you crit. knock them down, take out their primary weapon system/branch, or destroy them (assuming they have damage already). You’re not required to use it, but it’s better than nothing, especially if they have a second thing primed to finish destroying your countercharger. Deal some damage while you can! |
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Post by darkangeldentist on Aug 10, 2019 22:59:36 GMT
Ol`Rowdy and Kraye with Admonition. This is going to be brilliant Is the admonition--coutercharge combo really that good? From what I understand, if someone charges you and you admonition away, then counter charge them, they will get to make their charge attack against you. If it's a beast/jack it can they buy attacks. Doesn't that kill most of the point of admonition? I don't personally see the combo's main strength as that, it's more a tool to keep counter-charge as an active threat. One of the simplest ways to stop counter-charge is to run a model to engage the your model with counter-charge. Admonition gives you a tool to prevent that. Since you can make impact attacks on a counter-charge as well, if the enemy is a single wound or similar infantry model having it in the way might not even matter for the purposes of getting a good counter-charge but I digress... I will need to look-up and check but I think your understanding is correct for that scenario where a beast/jack charges in and you admonition away only to counter-charge back in. Quite a lot of models will be quite inconvenienced by a boosted P+S 18 smack to the face that might also knock them down. On top of that you don't have to counter-charge immediately if there are other threats. The opponent will have committed one heavy and now must send in something else that can get around the model they have already sent in. It's just a shame you can't repo' off a counter-charge. |
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Post by mydnight on Aug 11, 2019 3:25:27 GMT
I don't personally see the combo's main strength as that, it's more a tool to keep counter-charge as an active threat. One of the simplest ways to stop counter-charge is to run a model to engage the your model with counter-charge. Admonition gives you a tool to prevent that. Since you can make impact attacks on a counter-charge as well, if the enemy is a single wound or similar infantry model having it in the way might not even matter for the purposes of getting a good counter-charge but I digress... I will need to look-up and check but I think your understanding is correct for that scenario where a beast/jack charges in and you admonition away only to counter-charge back in. Quite a lot of models will be quite inconvenienced by a boosted P+S 18 smack to the face that might also knock them down. On top of that you don't have to counter-charge immediately if there are other threats. The opponent will have committed one heavy and now must send in something else that can get around the model they have already sent in. It's just a shame you can't repo' off a counter-charge. Bring Eilish to increase the chance of knocking down during the counter charge  Admonition+Counter slam is super powerful, hence being able to mimic it is great. |
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luckgod84
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Post by luckgod84 on Aug 11, 2019 5:43:33 GMT
rowdy gets a 2nd chance to knock them down as well with retaliatory strike
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Post by anoddman on Aug 11, 2019 18:55:17 GMT
Yeah, it's a nice option. A heavy charges Ol' Rowdy and you can choose to either back away to safety/threaten counter charge elsewhere OR hit the model with a STR 11 impact attack, a boosted to hit and damage POW 18 attack with Crit KD, AND an unboosted POW 18 attack with Crit KD. If you're not too concerned with Ol' Rowdy taking a few hits, you can put a serious dent/cripple an opposing heavy on your opponent's turn. That's pretty solid.
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snoozer
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Post by snoozer on Aug 11, 2019 20:09:17 GMT
I wonder if it would be possible to even get to an angle using Admonition where you could charge behind the model without taking a free strike on the charge. The angle probably does not work 99% of the time if it exists. Also that (counter) charge attack is boosted with Kraye, so the crit probability goes up. Most things really don't like to get 2 free mat8 pow 18 hits with crit KD. |
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Post by mydnight on Aug 11, 2019 22:09:18 GMT
I wonder if it would be possible to even get to an angle using Admonition where you could charge behind the model without taking a free strike on the charge. The angle probably does not work 99% of the time if it exists. Also that (counter) charge attack is boosted with Kraye, so the crit probability goes up. Most things really don't like to get 2 free mat8 pow 18 hits with crit KD. Oh man forgot about Kraye. 3 dice + eilish's reroll is actually pretty darned scary. Also an Arcane shielded Rowdy is not easily removed in any case. Centurion + Rowdy is going to be an annoying front line. Kraye will definitely love Heavy Metal even more once the Vigilants arrive with their true sight solo. |
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Admonition+Counter slam is super powerful, hence being able to mimic it is great.