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Post by josephkerr on Jul 28, 2019 13:21:01 GMT
I think you mean they will issue an errata, unless issued now means "not available on their site". But you're right, who cares if a product they've paid real money for looks rushed and sloppy? It'll have an errata soon, and then you'll have a great joke to show your friends, or maybe prop up a table with a short leg. I think if u buy books ur used to typos. They happen. Just dont open the book to ur friends and go “theres the mistake” and i doubt anyone u play with will notice. I can understand if it trips ur personal buggaboo switch ut misspellings and omissions dont mean PP is a bad company. Lots and lots of companies put out misspelled or incorrect stuff, and the worst that happens is they issue a correction and life movies on. As a “lol PP” i get it, but as proof that PP is a bad company....that stretching.
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Post by dogganmguest on Jul 28, 2019 21:12:01 GMT
I never said anything about it making PP a bad company, so that's a stretch you've been doing on your own. It's obvious that you don't care much about written presentation (AS LON AS U KAN REED IT ITS GUD, RITE?), but I find it makes a product look unprofessional and/or rushed.
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Post by mcdermott on Jul 28, 2019 23:43:05 GMT
Does less damage than constant complaining and nitpicking by the playerbase
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Post by ankiseth on Jul 29, 2019 1:18:20 GMT
Yeah the new rules are a mess. It’s really a shame.
I was gunna pick up the Oblivion set in part for the digest, but this honestly tamps my enthusiasm. Will probably pass on it.
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Post by shiver on Jul 29, 2019 3:47:43 GMT
Why? They issued an errata. Who cares if its wrong on paper? isn't this train of thought one of the things that really caused so many significant problems with the MKIII release as a whole (rules working as intended, only to be changed a weak later, other rules having to be changed often, day 1 errata, that kind of thing)? I don't follow your logic that its OK so long as an errata comes out. I actually think things like these can and do cost players, especially when they seem to be going right back down the same path they did just three or four years ago. I also think its perfectly fine to have reasonably high expectations in a tabletop or gaming product. These are completely voluntary purchases of luxury items. I think its OK to have reasonable expectations that the people producing these products would put the degree of fit and finish on them that would make them feel premium, and that includes typos and incorrect day 1 rules. I'm looking forward to Oblivion, and I will try to get a game or two in at Gencon.
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Post by shiver on Jul 29, 2019 3:53:51 GMT
Does less damage than constant complaining and nitpicking by the playerbase Consumers should have reasonably high expectations for the products they buy. How a product looks, how it is finished, and its usability all matter in determining how consumers will determine the value of the product they're buying. To you, I doubt you will care. You are obviously quite invested in the game for your own reasons, and that's fine, but things like inaccuracies and errors detract potential purchasers, if even on a passing or subconscious level.
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Post by anderfreak on Jul 29, 2019 4:37:57 GMT
Does less damage than constant complaining and nitpicking by the playerbase Consumers should have reasonably high expectations for the products they buy. How a product looks, how it is finished, and its usability all matter in determining how consumers will determine the value of the product they're buying. To you, I doubt you will care. You are obviously quite invested in the game for your own reasons, and that's fine, but things like inaccuracies and errors detract potential purchasers, if even on a passing or subconscious level. It's not just PP. You can get indignant and say your "well I nevers" about it all you want but you won't find a printed war game ruleset without release window errata.
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Post by mcdermott on Jul 29, 2019 5:02:06 GMT
Does less damage than constant complaining and nitpicking by the playerbase Consumers should have reasonably high expectations for the products they buy. How a product looks, how it is finished, and its usability all matter in determining how consumers will determine the value of the product they're buying. To you, I doubt you will care. You are obviously quite invested in the game for your own reasons, and that's fine, but things like inaccuracies and errors detract potential purchasers, if even on a passing or subconscious level. Nah, im not actually super vested, school didn't give me much time to play, nor much money to expand the ret. But i do know that the segment of the playerbase that consistently nitpicks and complains is cancer for any game.
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Post by Morganstern on Jul 29, 2019 14:18:10 GMT
Consumers should have reasonably high expectations for the products they buy. How a product looks, how it is finished, and its usability all matter in determining how consumers will determine the value of the product they're buying. To you, I doubt you will care. You are obviously quite invested in the game for your own reasons, and that's fine, but things like inaccuracies and errors detract potential purchasers, if even on a passing or subconscious level. Nah, im not actually super vested, school didn't give me much time to play, nor much money to expand the ret. But i do know that the segment of the playerbase that consistently nitpicks and complains is cancer for any game. This Is often true, However I would say that given PPs recent track record and the poor launch of Mk3 (rampant errors, play tested for 3 years yet broken by the player base on day 1 of launch.) I would say that any concerns raised should be given the benefit of the doubt and not dismissed as nitpicking.
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Post by anderfreak on Jul 29, 2019 17:09:38 GMT
Nah, im not actually super vested, school didn't give me much time to play, nor much money to expand the ret. But i do know that the segment of the playerbase that consistently nitpicks and complains is cancer for any game. This Is often true, However I would say that given PPs recent track record and the poor launch of Mk3 (rampant errors, play tested for 3 years yet broken by the player base on day 1 of launch.) I would say that any concerns raised should be given the benefit of the doubt and not dismissed as nitpicking. The warmachine community has been wrong so many times I don't think I could give them the benefit of the doubt without a major grain of salt. I'm not going to pretend PP is without faults, but I'm also not going to pretend some rando being right once in a while means they have profound insider knowledge of PP's prophesied downfall either.
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Post by dogganmguest on Jul 29, 2019 20:47:18 GMT
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Post by Morganstern on Jul 30, 2019 14:29:40 GMT
I don't know where some of you got the idea that this was some kind of doom prophecy though. Maybe you need more sleep. Agreed, apart from some grumbling about some mistakes in the new rule book there seems to be very little negativity in this thread. Personally I think that the upcoming changes may encourage me to play more Warmachine as I haven't played for over a year.
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Post by marxlives on Jul 30, 2019 15:06:59 GMT
I think you mean they will issue an errata, unless issued now means "not available on their site". But you're right, who cares if a product they've paid real money for looks rushed and sloppy? It'll have an errata soon, and then you'll have a great joke to show your friends, or maybe prop up a table with a short leg. I am still trying to remember a miniature game that has been released and has not received an FAQ or errata. I always thought the strength of PP was that they were quick to respond to errors caught by players, not that they released the philosophers stone of game rules every time. As someone who works in production in tech, patches and revisions are normal. Just because when we are dealing with large documents or code you will not catch everything. How you respond is more important. Also, there is a little bad faith acting on your part. If you took the top 5 wargames and said "well all these games never once had a faq or errata, what's the dealio PP." there maybe some ground to stand on. However, the imbalance of the issue and your outrage just shows a mind prison and a love affair with griefing the game. There are better hobbies than this. There is no actual good faith in PPs fast response to a rules digest, in a box set with hard rules that have not even been released, yet in both the forums, social media, and will hit the website as a pdf once the box set drops IN SEPTEMBER.
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Post by marxlives on Jul 30, 2019 15:12:06 GMT
The gun fighter one was already addressed by an infernal, but even that one is not "causing" confusion. If you are addressing your targets before any models are deployed for putting spells on those models do you really need it spelled out for you? They are not on the table yet. So choose which ones have upkeeps. I don't really even see how you misread it. Especially if you follow it step by step.
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Post by dogganmguest on Jul 30, 2019 21:20:21 GMT
Please read the text you quoted again, perhaps twice. You are interpreting it incorrectly.
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