joedj
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Post by joedj on Aug 3, 2019 14:28:54 GMT
Ranged GW: Alten Ashley. Love him in my Minions armies. With new Requisition system and new SR objective choices, he has returned to a very good merc/minion choice for my TB armies, even at 6 pts.
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Aug 5, 2019 12:26:51 GMT
My "problem" with Alten being there are so many other attractive merc/minions to compete with, not his point cost.
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mazog
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Post by mazog on Aug 6, 2019 20:28:40 GMT
I kind of like the Gunny-all the swamp trolls list. The only sure range for martyrdom is 4β, but you could drag then throw models out of range even from in there. I also love the swamp troll, though, and always look for a reason to play him. Double knot will clear the Bomber and Mauler of Fury as long as they are acting as support, so you can run the Swamps pretty darn hot.
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Post by Trollock on Aug 8, 2019 7:29:05 GMT
conflictchamber.com/?c7201b_-27020r9D0s0s0s0s0s0s0s0sjqfF6RfpfpTrollbloods [Theme] Power of Dhunia [Gunnbjorn 1] Captain Gunnbjorn [+28] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Swamp Gobber Chef [1] Troll Whelps [4] Dhunian Knot [0(6)] Dhunian Knot [0(6)] they can't martyr if you consume Ok, im gonna be the voice of reason here. Will this list beat harby (or any other list for that matter) even without martyrdom? Is it possible that we are focusing too much on a single aspect of harby (probably the strongest one but she has other things, and her army does stuff too) and sacrificing every part of our list just to counter this one aspect of this one caster? I like a swamp troll for utility, but it is not a very strong beast over all. It feels like you have utility coming out the wazoo but not much else here... Id love to hear how this work, both in to harby, and if tyat actually works, in to other things, but my gut feeling is that this is a bridge too far at tye very least π
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Aug 8, 2019 8:15:42 GMT
conflictchamber.com/?c7201b_-27020r9D0s0s0s0s0s0s0s0sjqfF6RfpfpTrollbloods [Theme] Power of Dhunia [Gunnbjorn 1] Captain Gunnbjorn [+28] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Swamp Gobber Chef [1] Troll Whelps [4] Dhunian Knot [0(6)] Dhunian Knot [0(6)] they can't martyr if you consume Ok, im gonna be the voice of reason here. Will this list beat harby (or any other list for that matter) even without martyrdom? Is it possible that we are focusing too much on a single aspect of harby (probably the strongest one but she has other things, and her army does stuff too) and sacrificing every part of our list just to counter this one aspect of this one caster? I like a swamp troll for utility, but it is not a very strong beast over all. It feels like you have utility coming out the wazoo but not much else here... Id love to hear how this work, both in to harby, and if tyat actually works, in to other things, but my gut feeling is that this is a bridge too far at tye very least π Especially as pre Oblivion CID they where running 9+ shieldguards.
A list where you can shieldguard every swamp troll shot seems strong.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Aug 8, 2019 8:20:09 GMT
Especially as pre Oblivion CID they where running 9+ shieldguards. A list where you can shieldguard every swamp troll shot seems strong. Honestly it doesn't really matter when the Initiates will get eaten just the same.
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Aug 8, 2019 9:03:22 GMT
Especially as pre Oblivion CID they where running 9+ shieldguards. A list where you can shieldguard every swamp troll shot seems strong. Honestly it doesn't really matter when the Initiates will get eaten just the same. So while you're eating initiates what is your opponent doing? Sitting 8 inches away and not killing your light warbeasts?
Sorry when I first saw this Swamp troll list I thought it was a funny joke. I didn't think people where taking it seriously.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Aug 8, 2019 9:20:47 GMT
Sorry when I first saw this Swamp troll list I thought it was a funny joke. I didn't think people where taking it seriously. You misunderstand. I agree with your assessment that it's gimmicky. All I'm saying is that the Initiates will be something you want to RFP anyway, so it doesn't matter if the (crit) Consume shots are Shield Guarded or not, you still get to straight up remove them.
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Post by robbleyourworld on Aug 8, 2019 14:31:33 GMT
To be clear I posted that swamp troll list as a funny gimmick list. Brandon Andrews brought it up in some conversations I had with him and I thought it was hilarious. He summed it up as a list that can play against harbinger and that's about it.
One could make that specific list better but it still fails in that its probably not windmill slamming a win against harbinger (I may be wrong having not tried it) but its going to have a very very rough time into most anything else. Most people I know play this game with a list pairing so even if it does windmill slam a win against harby they can just dodge it and I have a hard time seeing what that list does to many other Menoth lists.
The lists seems funny and I might try it tonight with some proxied swamp trolls but I have a hard time seeing it as much more than a gimmicky list to deal with a single other list.
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Aug 8, 2019 14:46:16 GMT
To be clear I posted that swamp troll list as a funny gimmick list. Brandon Andrews brought it up in some conversations I had with him and I thought it was hilarious. He summed it up as a list that can play against harbinger and that's about it. One could make that specific list better but it still fails in that its probably not windmill slamming a win against harbinger (I may be wrong having not tried it) but its going to have a very very rough time into most anything else. Most people I know play this game with a list pairing so even if it does windmill slam a win against harby they can just dodge it and I have a hard time seeing what that list does to many other Menoth lists. The lists seems funny and I might try it tonight with some proxied swamp trolls but I have a hard time seeing it as much more than a gimmicky list to deal with a single other list. Absolutely, that's why I was so surprised when people started looking at it seriously.
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skurkious
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Post by skurkious on Aug 8, 2019 16:36:05 GMT
Has anyone tried spamming storm trolls? I suppose that wouldn't be very good into anything but Harby.
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Aug 8, 2019 16:37:50 GMT
Absolutely, that's why I was so surprised when people started looking at it seriously. Trust me, i did no such thing. I've actually gone the Jarl route since I first asked and am reasonably happy with it. Magic bullets are not Harby's friend when she is wanting to martyr/heal as well. It has the added bonus of making Purification a more risky opposition. With swift hunter and some repo shenanigans its working out, decently. We'll go with decently at this point since details have yet to be hammered
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Post by robbleyourworld on Aug 8, 2019 16:37:55 GMT
Has anyone tried spamming storm trolls? I suppose that wouldn't be very good into anything but Harby. The lightning generator shots aren't hitting hard enough to force her to martyr excessively so I don't really see it doing much
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skurkious
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Post by skurkious on Aug 8, 2019 17:22:11 GMT
Has anyone tried spamming storm trolls? I suppose that wouldn't be very good into anything but Harby. The lightning generator shots aren't hitting hard enough to force her to martyr excessively so I don't really see it doing much Yeah you would have to couple them with Mortality or Calamity or Calandra/Horgle's feat. I was just thinking they can shield guard it away but it is still going to bounce to other models. Just overload martyrdom. Probably just not realistic to spam any of our lights.
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snoozer
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Post by snoozer on Aug 11, 2019 13:52:46 GMT
I agree with the assesement: overload her ability. This goes by shooting, also Jarl makes extremely fast bisons in SotN that could jam. One game I saw won against harby the player pretty much jammed arbies brick and eventually won because of the point advantage. Trolls need 2 things right now and we need to figure out how to get those in our lists. The first one is a big spread for scenario presence (or brick +wide flank, preferably a stable one). The second one is the ability to snipe key models.
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