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Post by mydnight on Nov 28, 2018 23:02:45 GMT
Pyre's +2 damage could change into an aura -- all friendly models within 2" affected by it. Becomes a ragman of sorts. Fine. Aura only affects friendly faction warrior models Probably still crazy when combined with bears and champs. Pyres becomes suicide bombs like Fireflys.
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Post by joedj on Nov 29, 2018 0:34:55 GMT
If you're going to make Pyre (animus) like a Firefly, then +2 Damage to FIRE (only) damage attacks w/in 5". Mostly ranged attacks right? Pyre itself, NK Raiders, FEs, Hoochie, Horgle2's Firestarter target, others?
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Post by jarrow on Nov 29, 2018 6:44:02 GMT
If you're going to make Pyre (animus) like a Firefly, then +2 Damage to FIRE (only) damage attacks w/in 5". Mostly ranged attacks right? Pyre itself, NK Raiders, FEs, Hoochie, Horgle2's Firestarter target, others? Croaks. Bot do we actually want to see boosted pow14 ranged attacks from ~2p models EVERY turn?
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Post by elricaltovilla on Nov 29, 2018 13:24:18 GMT
If you're going to make Pyre (animus) like a Firefly, then +2 Damage to FIRE (only) damage attacks w/in 5". Mostly ranged attacks right? Pyre itself, NK Raiders, FEs, Hoochie, Horgle2's Firestarter target, others? Croaks. Bot do we actually want to see boosted pow14 ranged attacks from ~2p models EVERY turn? ...yes? Is that the right answer?
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 30, 2018 2:39:06 GMT
The Pyre is fine as is, and that Slag Troll would be fine if it had any remotely useful animus.
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Post by bosemotile on Nov 30, 2018 21:33:06 GMT
Fennblade Kithkar: Weapon Master. I agree with your entire list. But I think thematically it would be more interesting to double-down on the Kithkar's tankyness with Unyielding or something. He's survived this long to become a veteran.
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Post by elricaltovilla on Nov 30, 2018 22:17:59 GMT
Fennblade Kithkar: Weapon Master. I agree with your entire list. But I think thematically it would be more interesting to double-down on the Kithkar's tankyness with Unyielding or something. He's survived this long to become a veteran. I'm not even sure that Weapon Master would make the Kithkar worth taking. At that point he's a less good Valka, almost. But I don't see much of any use for tanky solos on the battlefield. They have to be able to kill stuff or bring a lot of leadership support to be worth taking, and the Kithkar doesn't really do either of those things.
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Post by joedj on Dec 1, 2018 15:46:15 GMT
If you're going to make Pyre (animus) like a Firefly, then +2 Damage to FIRE (only) damage attacks w/in 5". Mostly ranged attacks right? Pyre itself, NK Raiders, FEs, Hoochie, Horgle2's Firestarter target, others? Croaks. Bot do we actually want to see boosted pow14 ranged attacks from ~2p models EVERY turn? Friendly Faction only of course. That should be implicit in every MK3 discussion by now!
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Post by joedj on Dec 1, 2018 15:57:27 GMT
I agree with your entire list. But I think thematically it would be more interesting to double-down on the Kithkar's tankyness with Unyielding or something. He's survived this long to become a veteran. I'm not even sure that Weapon Master would make the Kithkar worth taking. At that point he's a less good Valka, almost. But I don't see much of any use for tanky solos on the battlefield. They have to be able to kill stuff or bring a lot of leadership support to be worth taking, and the Kithkar doesn't really do either of those things. Kithkar: No Sleeping on the Job CMD range. Still a decent justification for fielding TWO in that support role. I was quite annoyed when Cryx got Jusika, making their Trolls more resilient than Trollbloods themselves (even though I own almost all Cryx models). Don't get me started on other faction's having Tactician, when TB play has been screamin' for it since the MK1 release of Champions!
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Post by elricaltovilla on Dec 1, 2018 16:07:45 GMT
I'm not even sure that Weapon Master would make the Kithkar worth taking. At that point he's a less good Valka, almost. But I don't see much of any use for tanky solos on the battlefield. They have to be able to kill stuff or bring a lot of leadership support to be worth taking, and the Kithkar doesn't really do either of those things. Kithkar: No Sleeping on the Job CMD range. Still a decent justification for fielding TWO in that support role. I was quite annoyed when Cryx got Jusika, making their Trolls more resilient than Trollbloods themselves (even though I own almost all Cryx models). Don't get me started on other faction's having Tactician, when TB play has been screamin' for it since the MK1 release of Champions! That could work. Although I play Madrak1 a lot, so I have Tactician and no sleeping on the job+ pretty much all the time. It's going to suck once I switch to a different caster...
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Post by joedj on Dec 1, 2018 16:17:11 GMT
Hooch Hauler: Incorporeal With that many beer guzzling/snacking TBs around, that Battle Engine would be so ephemeral, it would disappear after one round (of drinking)!
Seriously, Range 10 at least. Though I'd even more prefer some type of boost capability. The number and breadth of enemy BEs that have been given or were devised with a method of gaining boost capabilities makes me jealous and annoyed (and happy if I own that BE - Skorne Turtle!). The War Wagon also, as a one shot unboostable gun requires a method to make that shot count. I'm not sure if PP itself has a meta such as mine, with as many no-KD fielded opposing models, or models pre-measure spread to the degree that 3 troopers is the extent of a KD on direct hit.
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Post by joedj on Dec 1, 2018 16:33:20 GMT
Kithkar: No Sleeping on the Job CMD range. Still a decent justification for fielding TWO in that support role. I was quite annoyed when Cryx got Jusika, making their Trolls more resilient than Trollbloods themselves (even though I own almost all Cryx models). Don't get me started on other faction's having Tactician, when TB play has been screamin' for it since the MK1 release of Champions! That could work. Although I play Madrak1 a lot, so I have Tactician and no sleeping on the job+ pretty much all the time. It's going to suck once I switch to a different caster... Yeah, I generally like warlock-independent solutions for GLOBAL faction problems (40mm based troopers' movements and Tough tax). Better diversity of play options (rather than Madrak1 alone = boring) and I dare say, more reason to buy that solution model for whichever theme. Theme lists' model limitations hugely corral the universality of any one non-warlock 'solution'. Afterall, when is the last time anyone fielded a non-Theme list in competitive play?
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Post by elricaltovilla on Dec 2, 2018 1:15:24 GMT
I thought of something for the highwaymen: both barrels. Give them a POW 14 shot could make them much more successful.
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Post by Arcaux on Dec 3, 2018 15:49:54 GMT
The Pyre is fine as is, and that Slag Troll would be fine if it had any remotely useful animus. You say that, but it basically only gets taken to set Fire Eaters on fire and as a Damage buff on Borka2.
I'd like to see it get Flare on the aoe.
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Post by Trollock on Dec 3, 2018 20:22:21 GMT
The Pyre is fine as is, and that Slag Troll would be fine if it had any remotely useful animus. You say that, but it basically only gets taken to set Fire Eaters on fire and as a Damage buff on Borka2.
I'd like to see it get Flare on the aoe.
I tried suggesting it during CID but no dice
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