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Post by jonnyboy on Nov 19, 2018 21:44:36 GMT
I am interested to try the Adjunct with Behemoth in a Jaws list. I can say adjunct, ow1, behemoth is a great combo. Throw in S0 and oh lord.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Nov 19, 2018 23:39:56 GMT
I'm trying to find a reason not to include the guy in every single Khador list ever, but I can't. I mean it's a free upkeep (what caster doesn't use them?) a +2 def cloud (what list doesn't care about that?) and +2 range (literally every single our caster cares about it becase no arcnodes). The guidance is like an afterthougt after that. He's going to have a place in most list, but I think guidance is the main reason. Paying 4 points for a free upkeep is not worth it most of the time in my opinion, and the +2 range on spell has limited applications on most of our casters, especially when guidance gives both eyeless sight and magic weapons. But unless playing on an open field guidance will have a use. Guidance is kind of a given for us to even bother at this point. I'm mostly exited about cloud. Having a +2 def on demand is a big deal for Khador, it changes maths for our jacks and casters quite a lot. Like def 10 is easily hittable by everything without boosts, def 12 not so much, so people will have less focus to boost damage. Also more los blocking with said jacks. 23 arm 12 def clam that los blocks? Def 17 Irusk who's camping 1 more because of free upkeep? OW1 and Andrei having stealth on demand? Yes please.
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Post by auraco on Nov 20, 2018 1:38:39 GMT
An other interaction that I really like with the adjunct is with Victor, using guidance and then shooting with a flare shot can effectively negate stealth from a model for a turn.
I was talking with a friend and the more we talked about the adjunct we went from he'll probably be in 75% of the list and kept going up until we ended up with: Yeah, he'll probably be in all the lists.
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Post by Kriegsspiele on Nov 20, 2018 16:31:10 GMT
Stealth? Who cares? Clouds? Who cares?
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Post by mcdermott on Nov 20, 2018 21:54:05 GMT
Stealth? Who cares? Clouds? Who cares?
Screening your caster from sorscha1's feat? WHO CARES?
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Post by anderfreak on Nov 20, 2018 22:03:10 GMT
An other interaction that I really like with the adjunct is with Victor, using guidance and then shooting with a flare shot can effectively negate stealth from a model for a turn. I was talking with a friend and the more we talked about the adjunct we went from he'll probably be in 75% of the list and kept going up until we ended up with: Yeah, he'll probably be in all the lists. I think he really makes me question the value of the war dog. I've always suspected it wasn't the 1.5pt model people were insisting in Mk2. I'd almost be tempted to ask for it to be dropped to 1 pt or be completely reworked. It really is an afterthought model as it is. The flowchart goes like this: Do I have 3 points left over in my list? yes. Is there any conceivable reason to upgrade one of my jacks by 3 points? (lets face it, changing a kodiak/juggernaut to a Demolisher is a downgrade) no? Are mechanics available? no? Fine I guess I'll throw a war dog in.
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Post by auraco on Nov 20, 2018 22:12:46 GMT
But aren’t mechaniks available in all our theme forces. Just for the record, the wardog was bad in mk2 at 1 point, it got a cost upgrade in mk3 going up to 3 instead of 2. So that makes it even worst. There was never a reason to take the wardog before and now with the adjunct there is even less of a reason to take him. If he was a single or two point filler with the bodyguard rule then maybe, but as a caster attachement there is just no justifying his cost.
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Post by anderfreak on Nov 20, 2018 22:16:18 GMT
But aren’t mechaniks available in all our theme forces. Exactly, haha I can recall taking it in LoS and Wolves though a couple times though. Just to confirm that yes, it is still indeed bad.
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Post by michael on Nov 20, 2018 22:38:01 GMT
Stealth? Who cares? Clouds? Who cares?
Screening your caster from sorscha1's feat? WHO CARES? Well, you can still pretty easily block LOS with other models.
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Post by Kriegsspiele on Nov 21, 2018 8:29:52 GMT
Screening (by models) is way harder to achieve than said. Especially during the mid and late game.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Nov 21, 2018 14:25:15 GMT
Yeah, wardog needs some big powercreeping before he becomes an alternative to adjunct. Even B3 would like an adjunct over dog due to 1 more focus to camp thing.
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Post by auraco on Nov 21, 2018 16:26:48 GMT
Yeah, wardog needs some big powercreeping before he becomes an alternative to adjunct. Even B3 would like an adjunct over dog due to 1 more focus to camp thing. Even without considering the Adjunct I never felt like I was missing out on the wardog with Butcher3 in my 50-ish games with him, it's very rare that my opponent can actually put attack on him and the rare times I lost to a casterkill was no to melee attacks so the dog would have been useless anyway. The wardog is bad and there is always a better model to field instead, it's pretty much simple as that. B3 will enjoy being able to have silence of death on the table and still be able to play with 6 focus though, the adjunct will probably end up in litteraly all our lists.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Nov 22, 2018 12:33:08 GMT
Yeah, wardog needs some big powercreeping before he becomes an alternative to adjunct. Even B3 would like an adjunct over dog due to 1 more focus to camp thing. So, what you're saying is that the War Dog needs to hand out Guidance?
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Post by The Snark Knight on Nov 22, 2018 15:23:27 GMT
Yeah, wardog needs some big powercreeping before he becomes an alternative to adjunct. Even B3 would like an adjunct over dog due to 1 more focus to camp thing. So, what you're saying is that the War Dog needs to hand out Guidance? Give him Spell Slave!
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Post by Ganso on Nov 22, 2018 17:14:37 GMT
Yeah, wardog needs some big powercreeping before he becomes an alternative to adjunct. Even B3 would like an adjunct over dog due to 1 more focus to camp thing. So, what you're saying is that the War Dog needs to hand out Guidance? I think War Dog needs to become an FA2 solo with the Client rule instead of Attached. Oh, and he needs to be 1 or 2 points
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