Butcher3 Jaws of the Wolf, Thoughts?

magnopus
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Butcher3 Jaws of the Wolf, Thoughts? Apr 15, 2017 11:37:18 GMT

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Post by magnopus on Apr 15, 2017 11:37:18 GMT

Ok so I have played most of my recent Khador games with Butcher3 WG Theme. In my experience the Winter Guard are either useless or my opponent dropped the wrong list and just gets absolutely blasted. The problem I have is that the games where they are useless are usually what Butcher3 wants to drop into. I found that their targets are either stealth, windwalled, immune to non-magical shooting, or high enough def/arm that unbuffed duders can't really do the work. I guess this could just be my meta, but there is so much anti-shooting tech that it trivializes their contributions. In light of this I started to look around for other options.

I was originally worried about the focus load for my warjacks in Jaws of the Wolf so I stayed away, but I played two games with (a very small sample size and that is why I am posting) and I typically didn't have many problems because my 'jacks usually die eating their alpha.

So I really like this list into Ghost Fleet and Dude Spam in general. Behemoths guns are almost always useless, but the threat of them makes people play honest. The true all-stars so far have been the Kayazy Eliminators with Silence of death. They just absolutely scythe through stuff and that RFP against Ghost Fleet is super valuable.

For reference here is my list:

Butcher3

-Ruin

-Kodiak

-Juggernaut

-Marauder

-Marauder

Kayazy Eliminators

Kayazy Eliminators

Forge Seer (free)

-Behemoth

Forge Seer (free)

Marksman (free)

So that's the list as it stands any input from you guys would be much appreciated. What are your experiences?

auraco The Sky Fell Posts: 1,594	Butcher3 Jaws of the Wolf, Thoughts? Apr 15, 2017 12:34:33 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by auraco on Apr 15, 2017 12:34:33 GMT Like the list, B3 is one of our two caster that has anti recursion that can be dropped into ghost fleet and this list looks good for that.

magnopus Demo Gamer Posts: 16	Butcher3 Jaws of the Wolf, Thoughts? Apr 15, 2017 13:47:50 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by magnopus on Apr 15, 2017 13:47:50 GMT I also like it because it actually has game into Witch Coven as well. I found that it's also beefy enough to trade with most heavy spam lists. Good times.

Armchair Warrior
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Butcher3 Jaws of the Wolf, Thoughts? Apr 15, 2017 17:33:21 GMT

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Post by Armchair Warrior on Apr 15, 2017 17:33:21 GMT

Magnopus, I've not played into Ghost Fleet but your list looks legit. If you're teching for dudespam, I wonder if you are better off dropping one warjack (still staying above 75 points for the 3 free models) to fit in the Widowmakers. That's 4 more dead dudes each round, and you already have the WMM. Seems like either a Marauder or Juggernaut are not essential to what you're trying to do with the list.

I haven't tried marshaling the Behemoth yet. A whole long thread on that topic (that then drifted off topic). Has that worked out for you?

magnopus
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Butcher3 Jaws of the Wolf, Thoughts? Apr 16, 2017 7:55:13 GMT

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Post by magnopus on Apr 16, 2017 7:55:13 GMT

Apr 15, 2017 17:33:21 GMT Armchair Warrior said:

Magnopus, I've not played into Ghost Fleet but your list looks legit. If you're teching for dudespam, I wonder if you are better off dropping one warjack (still staying above 75 points for the 3 free models) to fit in the Widowmakers. That's 4 more dead dudes each round, and you already have the WMM. Seems like either a Marauder or Juggernaut are not essential to what you're trying to do with the list.

I haven't tried marshaling the Behemoth yet. A whole long thread on that topic (that then drifted off topic). Has that worked out for you?

Thanks for the idea I have adjusted the list a bit after hearing this:
Butcher3
-Marauder
-Kodiak
-Kodiak
-Ruin
Forge Seer (free)
-Behemoth
Forge Seer (free)
Kayazy Eliminators
Kayazy Eliminators
Widowmaker Marksman (free)
Widowmaker Scouts

I like this list a little better I think. It gives me tools and two kodiaks, Marauder and ruin is a pretty legit Battlegroup. It does leave me with a single point left over though.

Addressing the Marshalled behemoth....I typically find its only good on casters that don't have a super legit battlegroup ability. Energizer is fine, but I don't feel like I'm losing much. Typically the +2 to hit is better and very rarely I get the +2 to damage. Most opponents just measure to make me move to shoot them. When the marshal does die its not too big of a deal. An autonomous Behemoth for a turn or two is fine overall. Butcher can always bring him into his battlegroup.

I would say that getting the conditions to line up to make marshalling behemoth worth it are pretty rare. You need to have a caster in Jaws of the Wolf theme (Not paying 8 points for this) and that means that caster wants to run jacks and kayazy. Maybe Sorscha2 would be fine as well? Actually seems pretty legit. You get most of what you need. Ironflesh assassins are pretty good too. Maybe I'll try that out after the coming tournaments.

Last Edit: Apr 16, 2017 7:58:29 GMT by magnopus: Fixed the list. I had misstyped some stuff.

sand20go
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Butcher3 Jaws of the Wolf, Thoughts? Apr 16, 2017 18:39:54 GMT

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Post by sand20go on Apr 16, 2017 18:39:54 GMT

Like that list but what about dropping a unit of eliminators, add the Doge and bring min units of mechanics. That helps Butcher in end game and ensures you get the 4 jacks in the battle group (and Behemoth) up and ticking with full systems (especially cortexes)

Butcher3 Jaws of the Wolf, Thoughts?

Post by magnopus on Apr 15, 2017 11:37:18 GMT

Post by auraco on Apr 15, 2017 12:34:33 GMT

Post by magnopus on Apr 15, 2017 13:47:50 GMT

Post by Armchair Warrior on Apr 15, 2017 17:33:21 GMT

Post by magnopus on Apr 16, 2017 7:55:13 GMT

Post by sand20go on Apr 16, 2017 18:39:54 GMT