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Post by sand20go on Apr 11, 2017 16:08:29 GMT
a) Like the combo a lot. Be sure to reread Marshalling rules. I had it open on the table and still screwed up things a bit. But it works well. You do need to be thinking about how you would like to have Behemoth positioned during turns 4-5 where he likely will be finished shooting.
b) A combo of 3 kodiaks, 2 juggers, a Devestator and then the 2 greyforge and Behemoth (manhunter and WMM to round out) worked great into Tannith. Lots of pew pew damage from the cross bows but did the trick well. Cloud wall for the win.
c) Less good against Stryker 2. I hadn't played him being run with a controller (my old nemesis Juris) who doesn't use him as an assassin but rather as an attrition god. When you are rolling Dice +3 against Khador heavies UNDER Hark's feat you know it is pretty good. Add in stupid Gibbs (yup, heal up ALL that overboosting damage so you can go do it again) and it sucked.....but at least the Greyforges allowed me to get rid of disruption.
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Post by crimsonguard on Apr 11, 2017 16:15:05 GMT
I thought character warjacks could not be marshalled?
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Post by auraco on Apr 11, 2017 16:42:18 GMT
I thought character warjacks could not be marshalled? MK2 remnant? Changed in mk3. |
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Post by sand20go on Apr 11, 2017 17:42:16 GMT
I thought character warjacks could not be marshalled? MK2 remnant? Changed in mk3. Yup. It is a GLORIOUS thing. Aim True and that is POW 16 with Blessed coming right at you bucko!!! If I had just been smart and saved a focus to boost the two handed throw at Stryker...... |
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Post by Soul Samurai on Apr 11, 2017 18:27:09 GMT
Add in stupid Gibbs (yup, heal up ALL that overboosting damage so you can go do it again) I just can't get over how stupid this is. In MkII, the Precursor Knight UA could heal D3 points on one single living model he was in base contact with using the divine power of Morrow. Now in MkIII some random dude holds up some hot food (how the hell is it hot anyway?) in the middle of a battle and suddenly everybody's wounds are completely healed? Like, do they actually stop fighting to grab a spoon and chow down while the enemy is actively shooting at them, or is it just the smell alone (on a battlefield that no doubt stinks of blood, death, discharged gunpowder, coal smoke, and whatever else) that suddenly closes their wounds and causes the bleeding to stop? Seeing as the way I understand it the models don't even need to be in base contact, I have to assume it's the latter. Either way, if hot food is so powerful, why is there only one man in the entire Iron Kingdoms who knows how to cook? Why the hell doesn't Khador have a "Khadoran Field Chef's Assembly" or something? I mean, our MOW are walking around toasting bread all the time after all. I dunno, I just find it's a stupid rule on a bizarre model (his whole story is "he's not really a soldier, he's just pretending to be one"; this is important because... ?) that just feels out of place with the setting to me. Sigh. Sorry for ranting again. In my defense, this was my first chance to talk about Gibbs and how little sense he makes. |
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Post by sand20go on Apr 11, 2017 18:45:19 GMT
Add in stupid Gibbs (yup, heal up ALL that overboosting damage so you can go do it again) I just can't get over how stupid this is. In MkII, the Precursor Knight UA could heal D3 points on one single living model he was in base contact with using the divine power of Morrow. Now in MkIII some random dude holds up some hot food (how the hell is it hot anyway?) in the middle of a battle and suddenly everybody's wounds are completely healed? Like, do they actually stop fighting to grab a spoon and chow down while the enemy is actively shooting at them, or is it just the smell alone (on a battlefield that no doubt stinks of blood, death, discharged gunpowder, coal smoke, and whatever else) that suddenly closes their wounds and causes the bleeding to stop? Seeing as the way I understand it the models don't even need to be in base contact, I have to assume it's the latter. Either way, if hot food is so powerful, why is there only one man in the entire Iron Kingdoms who knows how to cook? Why the hell doesn't Khador have a "Khadoran Field Chef's Assembly" or something? I mean, our MOW are walking around toasting bread all the time after all. I dunno, I just find it's a stupid rule on a bizarre model (his whole story is "he's not really a soldier, he's just pretending to be one"; this is important because... ?) that just feels out of place with the setting to me. Sigh. Sorry for ranting again. In my defense, this was my first chance to talk about Gibbs and how little sense he makes. Agreed. It was the first time how I got to see what a f'ing GOD Stryker is in that combo. "OK, I am now POW 24. " "But hey, you also have just 6 hit points left....so maybe I can kill you" Stryker walks in and then Murderates 2 Khador heavies under the feat and then velocity backs 4 inches Gibbbs heals to full so he can go Murderate AGAIN the next turn. Did they really intend for him to work that way?  |
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Post by HereComesTomorrow on Apr 11, 2017 20:17:44 GMT
I just can't get over how stupid this is. In MkII, the Precursor Knight UA could heal D3 points on one single living model he was in base contact with using the divine power of Morrow. Now in MkIII some random dude holds up some hot food (how the hell is it hot anyway?) in the middle of a battle and suddenly everybody's wounds are completely healed? Like, do they actually stop fighting to grab a spoon and chow down while the enemy is actively shooting at them, or is it just the smell alone (on a battlefield that no doubt stinks of blood, death, discharged gunpowder, coal smoke, and whatever else) that suddenly closes their wounds and causes the bleeding to stop? Seeing as the way I understand it the models don't even need to be in base contact, I have to assume it's the latter. Either way, if hot food is so powerful, why is there only one man in the entire Iron Kingdoms who knows how to cook? Why the hell doesn't Khador have a "Khadoran Field Chef's Assembly" or something? I mean, our MOW are walking around toasting bread all the time after all. I dunno, I just find it's a stupid rule on a bizarre model (his whole story is "he's not really a soldier, he's just pretending to be one"; this is important because... ?) that just feels out of place with the setting to me. Sigh. Sorry for ranting again. In my defense, this was my first chance to talk about Gibbs and how little sense he makes. Agreed. It was the first time how I got to see what a f'ing GOD Stryker is in that combo. "OK, I am now POW 24. " "But hey, you also have just 6 hit points left....so maybe I can kill you" Stryker walks in and then Murderates 2 Khador heavies under the feat and then velocity backs 4 inches Gibbbs heals to full so he can go Murderate AGAIN the next turn. Did they really intend for him to work that way? Even if they didn't they'd never admit they'd made a mistake. |
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Post by The Snark Knight on Apr 11, 2017 20:18:20 GMT
I just can't get over how stupid this is. In MkII, the Precursor Knight UA could heal D3 points on one single living model he was in base contact with using the divine power of Morrow. Now in MkIII some random dude holds up some hot food (how the hell is it hot anyway?) in the middle of a battle and suddenly everybody's wounds are completely healed? Like, do they actually stop fighting to grab a spoon and chow down while the enemy is actively shooting at them, or is it just the smell alone (on a battlefield that no doubt stinks of blood, death, discharged gunpowder, coal smoke, and whatever else) that suddenly closes their wounds and causes the bleeding to stop? Seeing as the way I understand it the models don't even need to be in base contact, I have to assume it's the latter. Either way, if hot food is so powerful, why is there only one man in the entire Iron Kingdoms who knows how to cook? Why the hell doesn't Khador have a "Khadoran Field Chef's Assembly" or something? I mean, our MOW are walking around toasting bread all the time after all. I dunno, I just find it's a stupid rule on a bizarre model (his whole story is "he's not really a soldier, he's just pretending to be one"; this is important because... ?) that just feels out of place with the setting to me. Sigh. Sorry for ranting again. In my defense, this was my first chance to talk about Gibbs and how little sense he makes. I assume that some damage is meant to represent mental health or morale, like in a fair number of RPGs (IKRPG included). As to how they're eating the food or how it's hot... There's a cat on his base, and until somebody comes up with a better explanation, I will not be convinced that those Swans are not eating a cat. |
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Apr 11, 2017 23:46:19 GMT
Gibbs just makes me mad. It's a stupid ass effect. I want to bring a Destroyer or Behemoth in every list to just absolutely punish Gibbs if he's within 18".
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Post by sand20go on Apr 12, 2017 0:01:42 GMT
Gibbs just makes me mad. It's a stupid ass effect. I want to bring a Destroyer or Behemoth in every list to just absolutely punish Gibbs if he's within 18". Sadly the math simply SUCKS. Gibbs can RUN and still hand out the hot meal (it is a mini-feat). So essentially he needs to be within 19 inches of the BACK of strykers model to heal him full up.....and given velocity that is I guess you COULD kill him.....but it would be hard and probably means your opponent was being sloppy. And it gets even worse. Consider how far Ragman can apply death field as he repos 3 inches foward. |
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Post by wendan on Apr 12, 2017 0:17:41 GMT
Can he run and use it? That seems... hm.. not right! I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure a run ends your activation. He could use the ability and run, but not the other way around.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Apr 12, 2017 1:01:46 GMT
Page 12, anytime abilities.
You can use them before movement, which include a run. Since it's a minifeat, he can use it, then run. In Khador we can do the same thing with the IF Pikemen minifeat now run and end in shield wall.
Still, it's total BS.
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Post by CodFather on Apr 12, 2017 3:15:24 GMT
Damnit people, stop stealing my ideas!
Been running it for a bit now, laptops still not working great tho so haven't been writing bat reps.
My list is:
4xMarauder
2xKodiak
Juggernaut
2 forge seers
Marshaled Behemoth
WMM
Manhunter
Tho I do kind of like your jack load out for a bit more complexity instead of strict points efficiency. Anyways, having only 2 kodiaks is of course not as good for the cloud wall, however I've been finding you can often block out important enemy charges and be seen by the rest. Tho I do get shot more. Having that devestator probably protects ya much better against drag shenanigans and the like as well eh?
On to the marshalled Behemoth. I've been really liking it. Giving behemoth blessed, magical and the jack marshal benefits have been great! If he has to move, he's rat 6, if he can aim hes pow 16 (pow 9 blast) OR rat 8, crazy good. The magical guns are great into the amon matchup as they can often kill a dervish in 3 shots (2 if you spike hard and can aim). Blessed has been great into any sort of arm buff like A/S storm lances, he can easily pop 2 of those a turn. And when the game grinds down and your marshal is still alive, crush + 2 focus is 4 or 5 blessed attacks (depending on if needed to charge) at pow 14 AP will kill most models in the game.
There are of course some weaknesses. If the jack marshal dies he's less useful, but autonomous is much better than inert. And since hark loves a jack to hug, behemoth is great for this, so if the jack marshal dies, behemoth should be near for hark to go b2b with a bring him into the battlegroup. Being a marshaled jack also comes with a weakness to knockdown and to a much greater effect, stationary. If you feel this is going to be an issue in the game, perhaps against lylith3, sorsha1, maybe pistol wraiths, then it's likely worth killing the marshaling forge seer early on and bringing behemoth into the battlegroup.
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Post by wags on Apr 12, 2017 5:14:18 GMT
Page 12, anytime abilities. You can use them before movement, which include a run. Since it's a minifeat, he can use it, then run. In Khador we can do the same thing with the IF Pikemen minifeat now run and end in shield wall. Still, it's total BS. Can he run and do that? The ability as worded sounds more like a pulse than an aura. Though it's missing the "currently within" vs "while within" wording that usually differentiates between them. It is in a way vague because of that. But if it's a pulse popping it and running won't do anything unless they were in his command when popped. If it's an aura that's all kinds of b.s. |
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Apr 12, 2017 5:39:11 GMT
I bet 130 Bucks that Gibbs was never intended to be used that way. But again PP won't budge if questioned.
Knockdown Flank Anyone?
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