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shroomvolcano
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Morghoul Jun 15, 2018 14:55:24 GMT

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Post by shroomvolcano on Jun 15, 2018 14:55:24 GMT

Sup my dudes! Recently, I've been having some decent success with Morghoul1 in Disciples of Agony (I've played Minions for a long time and are really familiar with the models and their limitations/strengths). His tiny control area sucks a lot, but hey, he's a cool as hell model.

Anyways, I've been looking at Morghoul 2 and 3 a lot recently. Morg2 seems to kind of build himself, bloodrunners, maybe an Archidon/Razor Worm/Road Hog for the Blind Assassination, and he likes Sprint to leverage his personal hitting power.

Morghoul 3, however, has left me kind stumped. His model is awesome, and I'd love to play it, but I don't really understand how to build him. Infantry with multiple attacks maybe? I was thinking of running him in Disciples for the Blind Walker's arc node to sling Night's Reflection around (as it's super crippling to basically everything and he can potential), but his feat is friendly faction only, so Posse aren't quite so synergistic.

Have you guys found any success with Morg3? Being more familiar with Skorne, what pieces compliment his suite the best?

Thanks!

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didder
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Morghoul Jun 15, 2018 19:47:28 GMT via mobile

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Post by didder on Jun 15, 2018 19:47:28 GMT

Morghoul3 likes aptimus marketh and swordsmen with ua. Include some shield guards for marketh. Include either a shaman or a min bonegrinder for craft talisman. This gives two decently reliable blinds a turn. Very devastating to many opponents. You can get a third blind if youre lucky. Swordsmen are there to just hit hard but they do have a def that's hard to hit when blind, and they do have side step and two attacks for mmorghouls feat.

In DoA, you probably want him with two min units of nihlators, and I guess a heavier battle group to do the heavy lifting. I like min nihlators because they have a terrible cmd for a ten man unit and they have a risk of chopping each other up so you can actually spread out with a pair of min units

skormedlover87
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Morghoul Jun 15, 2018 22:55:10 GMT via mobile

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Post by skormedlover87 on Jun 15, 2018 22:55:10 GMT

No experience with Morghoul 3, he's one half of the models I don't have in faction.

But I am interested in what your Morg1 list looks like. I've recently started running him while knocking the rust off (I just took on new responsibilities at work and they've been kicking my ass). So I'm curious.

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shroomvolcano
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Morghoul Jun 19, 2018 14:08:37 GMT

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Post by shroomvolcano on Jun 19, 2018 14:08:37 GMT

Jun 15, 2018 22:55:10 GMT skormedlover87 said:

No experience with Morghoul 3, he's one half of the models I don't have in faction.

But I am interested in what your Morg1 list looks like. I've recently started running him while knocking the rust off (I just took on new responsibilities at work and they've been kicking my ass). So I'm curious.

Sorry for the radio silence. Anyways, I love trying to get absurd things to work, especially if it's not necessarily the best way to go about it. One win with jank can feel infinitely more gratifying than a casual win with a super powered list, tbh, and there's a lot of newer players in my meta. That said, my Morg1 list:

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One Night, Ultimate Jank
Skorne Army - 75 / 75 points

[Theme] Disciples of Agony

[Morghoul 1] Master Tormentor Morghoul [+30]

- Agonizer [6]

- Battle Boar [7]

- Blackhide Wrastler [16]

- Scarab Pack [10]

- Scarab Pack [10]

- Scarab Pack [10]

Mortitheurge Willbreaker [0(4)]

Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor [0(4)]

Paingiver Task Master [0(3)]

Swamp Gobber Chef [1]

Farrow Brigands (min) [9]

- Farrow Brigand Warlord [4]

Gatorman Posse (max) [16]

Paingiver Beast Handlers (min) [5]

Paingiver Bloodrunners [9]

Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2]

Basically the idea is that a Posse and Task Master, backed up with Brigands can hold down a zone for 2-3 turns, while Morghoul and his Scarab squad stack mad buffs to crank Scarabs to stupid levels (MAT 7-10 and P+S 17-20) to clear the other zone, while being fairly resilient against shooting. Scarabs run for free, and the list is fairly fury-light the first turn or two even running full tilt (no fury removal by the Paingivers), and losing a Scarab here or there doesn't really matter (and people are always really taken aback at how much health they have). Again, probably nowhere near an ideal list, but I love playing it.

Didder, takes for the primer. It really sounds like Morg3 mostly just acts in a blind-bot role, would you say that's accurate? What about into an infantry-light list?

I can see definitely see the Nihilator synergy, hit-kill-sidestep-berserk seems like a good way to get stuck in deep and do a lot of work on the feat turn.

So now I'm thinking something like this:

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Skorne Army - 75 / 75 points

[Theme] Disciples of Agony

!!! Your army contains CID entries.

[Morghoul 3] Dominar Morghoul & Escorts [+25]

- Blackhide Wrastler [16]

- Blind Walker [10]

- Ironback Spitter [14]

- Ironback Spitter [14]

Mortitheurge Willbreaker [0(4)]

Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor [0(4)]

Swamp Gobber Chef [1]

Farrow Brigands (min) [9]

- Farrow Brigand Warlord [4]

Nihilators (min) [9]

Nihilators (min) [9]

Paingiver Beast Handlers (min) [5]

Paingiver Bloodrunners [9]

This would be an anti-infantry drop, Blindwalker to arc, Willbreaker for re-rolling Night's Reflection, Spitters to deal with high-arm infantry (corrosion), PGMT to grab flags, same with the 1-point Gobber Chef (also my favorite model in the game), Brigands for additional shooting (being hyper accurate against Blind targets (and Morghoul can Sac Pawn them if I get desperate), and Bloodrunners for speed and jamming (they get Ambush in Disciples). The Blackhide is my only big armor-cracker, which isn't super great, but the Spitters can do a lot of work in melee with 3 initial attacks and Fury. I think the goal would be to focus on aggressing the far zone (going first would be pretty huge for this list and the lack of armor and shooting resilience could be a problem), camping Morghoul in a near zone and the PBMT on a flag to try to take a quick scenario win.

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didder
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Morghoul Jun 19, 2018 15:22:36 GMT via mobile

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Post by didder on Jun 19, 2018 15:22:36 GMT

Morghoul3 in DoA has the capacity to come up and unjam or kill a heavy. However, it isn't a good idea unless you have an archidon or a road hog so he can Sprint back out. Honorable mention to a swamp horror since 1" extra melee on him is really good too. Out of DoA marketh can blind things for him so it is a little easier

Also his melee potential is very dependant on whether one of his ladies can land a hit with their blind fan. Having to spend most of his stack to nights his charge target leaves none left for buying attacks.

Even with all of that, getting the crit decapitate is a very luck dependant thing, since he often only wants to charge blinded targets, it's inefficient to boost to hit fishing for a critical when you hit on not-snakes anyway.

Morg3 definitely has the maneuverabily, spd, safety tech, and dmg potential to be more than just a blind bot. Got to work for it a bit though.

Your list seems good. Spitters with rage and enrage hit plenty hard. Myself I'd drop the brigands for another beast but that's just my preferences. You did seem to be under the misconception that nihlators could both overtake and sidestep when it's only the swordsmen that can do that. Nihlators would just get the overtake

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shroomvolcano
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Morghoul Jun 19, 2018 18:01:17 GMT

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Post by shroomvolcano on Jun 19, 2018 18:01:17 GMT

Gotcha, I think I meant Overtake rather than Sidestep for the Nihilators.

I think you have to play Crit. Decap like you'd play it on Rhyas; don't count on it, but it if happens, hell yeah your target is going to be taking a ton of damage. I guess I didn't think about a Swamp Horror, Morg could really do a number to a blinded unit between flashing blade and that extra reach. I'm a little hesitant to go light on my own shooting with such a fragile army, and especially one that wants to get to melee ASAP, but an Archidon/Horror in the battlegroup would definitely be worth a couple games to experiment with Morg's own combat abilities.

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demonic
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Morghoul Jun 25, 2018 4:16:19 GMT

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Post by demonic on Jun 25, 2018 4:16:19 GMT

I gotta say that morg2 works much better when he can roll with Marketh. Because of this, he feels much more at home in either WoD or MoW. The reason behind this is simple, Mortality sling from Marketh and Shadow Play upkeep on Morg2 while his feat is popped = 5 blessed, magical, PS 13 + weaponmaster strikes on a caster with -6 def, -2 armor while having a boosted first strike that has a 13 inch threat. Since he's incoporeal he also does not trigger freestrikes and can move through terrain and obstacles unhindered as long as he can see his charge target ^-^ *this does not include the possibility of the .5 inch PS 8 fan)

I prefer Morg2 over Morg3 simply because they do the same job, only morg2 does it better. Not only this, but Morg2 has a drastic 4 additional beast points, which is almost a free aggy and can go a long way in boosting whatever solo model you feel like bringing to the table (Efaarit Scout is a great assassination combo since most don't see it coming). As people already mentioned, Sprint is awesome with him since he has a 7 inch move. He also has stealth which sures up some of his defensive situations.

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Morghoul Jun 25, 2018 10:22:05 GMT via mobile elladan52 likes this

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Post by granor on Jun 25, 2018 10:22:05 GMT

Jun 25, 2018 4:16:19 GMT demonic said:

I gotta say that morg2 works much better when he can roll with Marketh. Because of this, he feels much more at home in either WoD or MoW.

I found marketh pretty vulnerable to scalpeling and the blindwalker is a great beast for 10 points so I really like morgoul2 in DOA

demonic
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Morghoul Jun 25, 2018 13:31:39 GMT

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Post by demonic on Jun 25, 2018 13:31:39 GMT

eh, I gotta be quite honest and say I haven't tried him in DOA much (1 or 2 games with a funsies list) because I lack the funds to put a worthwhile investment into that many minion beasts and units.

The major reason I prefer Morg2 over Morg3 though is probably the difference between their weapons. Morg3 depends on blind, but eyeless models (almost every legion list) is immune to it. On the other hand, morg2 has weaponmaster instead of hidden blade, making his assassination runs while off your feat turn much more reliable. Dropping Morg3 into Legion is like dropping Nemo3 stormguard into a Kreugar2 list

shroomvolcano
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Morghoul Jun 25, 2018 16:29:13 GMT

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Post by shroomvolcano on Jun 25, 2018 16:29:13 GMT

I hear that, Morg2 seems a lot more apt by himself and a fair bit less vulnerable, as 3 loses a lot of potential damage from losing the girls. He's just such a cool model, and it makes me want to repaint my Skorne to look like a bunch of vamps from like the Masquerade RPG or the Underworld movies. I'm going to try to run him, I mean, the whole point of this thread was to get some kind of primer on how other people run him so I'm not going in totally blind (lol). I think I'll try something like the list I posted previously, maybe switching out the Gators for a pair of min Nihilator units for some flexibility. My only fear with that is losing out on a lot of the staying power that Posse have.

Last Edit: Jun 25, 2018 16:33:51 GMT by shroomvolcano

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