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Post by auraco on May 18, 2018 14:07:34 GMT
Ok so we have 5 casters that can run Armored corps pretty well in a champion format. The question is what the heck are we suppose to bring as a second list with jaws of the wolf and no good jack caster? Sorscha3 is already out, she really wants to run in armored corps, Zerkova1 seems like a terrible pick for jaws with her total lack of jack support. This leaves us with Kozlov and Butcher1 Jackspam, who are meh at best because of the lack of constant spd buff or Irusk2 with a Kayazy heavy build. Am I missing something?
The jaws list will have a hard time on scenario with the current caster choice, it needs to cover the weaknesses of the man o war list, but how do you cover the weaknesses of armored corps with an even slower and lower model count list?
I'm already looking forward to the next season, I don't really see how it can be worst than it is now.
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crimsyn
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Post by crimsyn on May 18, 2018 14:33:48 GMT
Irusk2 or Butcher1 infantry-heavy in Jaws perhaps?
Stacking Gang, Backstab, and one or two damage buffs from the caster on a unit of Kayazy assassins can make them hit pretty hard...
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Post by jonnyboy on May 18, 2018 15:00:19 GMT
Will we be able to rely on S0 for B1? I feel like B1 with S0 and maybe andrei would be a pretty good combo. 10" threating monsters with boosted attacks and free charges!
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Post by tesoe on May 18, 2018 15:15:46 GMT
Play Butcher and go for assassination.
Theme: Jaws of the Wolf 2 / 2 Free Cards 74 / 75 Army
Orsus Zoktavir, The Butcher of Khardov - WJ: +28 - Ruin - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Grolar - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11) - Grolar - PC: 18
Widowmaker Marksman - PC: 4 Manhunter - PC: 0 Manhunter - PC: 0 Greylord Forge Seer - PC: 4 Greylord Forge Seer - PC: 4
Kayazy Assassins - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Kayazy Assassin Underboss - PC: 4 Kayazy Eliminators - Leader & Grunt: 5 Kayazy Eliminators - Leader & Grunt: 5 Widowmaker Scouts - Leader & 3 Grunts: 8
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Post by kovnikninehouse on May 18, 2018 15:21:13 GMT
What about Kozlov in jaws with a bunch of jack and add in the Nyss Hunters with Valachev?
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Ganso
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Post by Ganso on May 18, 2018 16:01:24 GMT
Kozlov will be Legit in Jaws. Pathfinder, Speed Buff, Armor Buff and a Damage Buff, only thing he is missing is an Accuracy Buff (which I would prefer over an Armor Buff or a Damage Buff). Though I fear that Sorscha_0 will be our Jaws Linchpin.
My only concern right now is how much do I really wanna stack Magic Weapons in either list.
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chuggyg
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Post by chuggyg on May 18, 2018 16:42:52 GMT
Zerkova will be a decent jaws pick when sorscha0 and malakov1 get added to the list. You might have to run her turn 1 and feat on 2 to buy time for your warjacks to get into the zones, but at least you'll have that option. The 2 journeymen solve her issue of low threat ranges on the warjacks. Ghost walk is extremely useful for khador jacks, as well. The cloud wall lets you play a game of forcing the enemy to come to you, and jaws gives her access to both ragass and A&H for a damage buff.
This is leaving aside the fact that jaws of the wolf sucks shit even with its best casters.
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chuggyg
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Post by chuggyg on May 18, 2018 16:49:16 GMT
Off the cuff I'd probably start somewhere around here and edit as I go... conflictchamber.com/#c3201b_-0x7bkSkUhFe3dZlO7w9u878c8M8IKhador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Jaws of the Wolf !!! Your army contains a CID entry. (Zerkova 1) Koldun Kommander Aleksandra Zerkova [+28] - Decimator [15] - Spriggan [17] Greylord Forge Seer [0(4)] Kovnik Andrei Malakov [0(4)] - Grolar [18] Kovnik Apprentice Kratikoff [0(4)] - Behemoth [25] Ragman [4] Battle Mechaniks (max) [5] Kossite Woodsmen (min) [7] Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8] - Koldun Kapitan Valachev [4]
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Post by auraco on May 18, 2018 17:01:54 GMT
If we can actually get Sorscha0 during this season there might be something to do, she really helps the jaws list, but with no words on here release date, we need to find solutions without her. As it stands we can't even take Malakov in Jaws and he would help too. At the moment I dislike Kozlov in jaws because he offers only one turn of spd buff, and not that big of a spd buff and he is way too focus strapped to run a lot of jacks, the two juniors really help with that, having boundless charge on a stick and redline on the line, with 8 more focus to play around is really good, just not possible yet. At the moment Irusk2 or Butcher1 can offer really hard hitting kayazy, but delivering them against some of the other casters in the ADR is going to be problematic, they already don't have that much speed, so Kruger2 can control them really easily, Gaspy1 can just feat and kill all the kayazy, the problem with theses lists isn't hitting power, it's delivery. tesoeI'm not really seeing how this list is suppose to go for an assassination, all the threat range are pretty predictable and the shooting presence is not exactly caster threathening. GansoYeah Sorscha0 will be key to unlocking jaws for this round of ADR. I think you will want Ayana&holt in at least one of your list since grymkin are a thing and and black industries can still field machine wraith. I find that Ayana & holt usually fit pretty well in armored corps list with only a victor in the battlegroup, with a victor & ayana & holt you can still reach 60 points of man o war if you don't take valachev or take him as a free slot.
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Post by sand20go on May 18, 2018 17:46:58 GMT
Irusk 2 with a Jaws build that uses Kayazy is highly legit and I think pairs pretty well. You have to play him a bit forward but with the cost reduction in Ragers I think that works. Main issue is that both lists are going to be incorp. challenged - Just "is what it is"
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chuggyg
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Post by chuggyg on May 18, 2018 18:59:05 GMT
Sans journeyman warcasters I will probably run this: conflictchamber.com/#c3201b_-0x7b7wkSkShF9u8r8y86chch8c8M8I8eKhador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Jaws of the Wolf (Zerkova 1) Koldun Kommander Aleksandra Zerkova [+28] - Behemoth [25] - Decimator [15] - Decimator [15] Greylord Forge Seer [0(4)] Ragman [4] Widowmaker Marksman [4] Yuri the Axe [0(6)] Battle Mechaniks (min) [3] Kayazy Eliminators [5] Kayazy Eliminators [5] Kossite Woodsmen (min) [7] Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8] - Koldun Kapitan Valachev [4] Widowmaker Scouts [8] --- There are enough bodies there to play against the scenario, and the Decimators, Behemoth, and clouds generally force the opponent to come to you, which helps mitigate the 8" charge ranges by a fair bit.
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Post by tesoe on May 18, 2018 19:19:13 GMT
tesoeI'm not really seeing how this list is suppose to go for an assassination, all the threat range are pretty predictable and the shooting presence is not exactly caster threathening. You treat Eliminators, Manhunters, and Grolars as potential assassination pieces. 1. Pop feat 2. kill anything stopping you from deliverying assassination pieces. 3. Deliver assassination pieces. 4. Profit.
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Post by auraco on May 18, 2018 19:52:28 GMT
Irusk 2 with a Jaws build that uses Kayazy is highly legit and I think pairs pretty well. You have to play him a bit forward but with the cost reduction in Ragers I think that works. Main issue is that both lists are going to be incorp. challenged - Just "is what it is"Well yeah you will still need ayana & holt in one of your list to deal with that, but it's not that bad, it is restricted to squishy solos but there are no wraith engine, haley echos, Denny2's feat to deal with, worst is going to be gremlin swarm in grymkin and any hordes list that take them for scenario reasons.
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Post by borderprince on May 18, 2018 19:58:25 GMT
Main issue is that both lists are going to be incorp. challenged - Just "is what it is" Might not be such an issue given that the two Cryx themes don't even allow the Wraith Engine, just Machine Wraiths. There's still Grymkin with their very annoying Gremlins, but they don't require especially high quality attacks to deal with (provided you can get around the stealth). Still doesn't make Jaws a great theme for these casters, but it might mean one of the big issues with all Khador themes apart from Wolves is a slightly smaller issue for Champions.
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Post by The Snark Knight on May 18, 2018 20:08:01 GMT
Play Butcher 1 in Jaws with Forge Seers, Yuri, Marksman, and three Colossals. Because reasons.
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