spideredd
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Post by spideredd on May 20, 2018 20:32:07 GMT
It does seem to be a good example of poe's law.
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Post by paradox on May 20, 2018 20:56:03 GMT
I for one am happy they didn’t change vindictus. Cyrenia is a combined force caster. You play her with jacks and dudes because pos Charge is amazing. She has a niche. Kreoss2 is still a bad EI caster because he does nothing to help deliver the Exemplars. His games go like this every time: 1) run 2) run some more die a lot 3) if you can Feat and hope your feat turn makes up for the losses 4) if you made up for losses on turn 3 it’s a grind where Kreoss becomes pretty inactive. If not, you lose. Just poorly designed as an infantry caster. Cant really disagree, and to be fair, I did not ask that he change either. I noted he was fine. Its just that he's kinda the yard stick for the theme.
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Post by paradox on May 20, 2018 21:00:05 GMT
dox, I agree with most of your assessments. I think that Cyrenia will find play in combined arms armies. She runs Warjacks a hell of a lot better than Vinny D. If you are going straight KE spam, Vindictus is your man. Other EI lists will like her, though. I think she needs a little more buffing though, given how focus on Exemplars she is. Her Feat would be a good target, since it's a little lackluster at the moment. Everything else I agree with, particularly Kreoss2. He is not a compelling choice at the moment and I feel like they wasted a week on him that is still needed. Both Cyrenia and Vindictus are better. Do you feel that Desperate Pace should go back to Gade? I agree with your criticisms of Gravus. I would not put Desperate Pace on Gade. I really like how he worked when he was used afainst me last week. That was dunamic and compelling. Guys a boss, so Desperate Pace makes waste of all that potential. I like it on Gravus because it really suits him. It gives him something to do. I just think he needs a touch more refining. Free in theme would be great. Then it matters alot less what his vaule is on pts, ps, arm, etc.
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Post by Hashmal on May 20, 2018 21:09:01 GMT
I really should have given that more cred. Free Gravus would eliminate my only concerns about him. I just didn't see it happening. But it should.
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Post by macdaddy on May 20, 2018 21:41:28 GMT
I really should have given that more cred. Free Gravus would eliminate my only concerns about him. I just didn't see it happening. But it should. [ Not sure I like the idea of free dragoon’s, but ret already gets one so I guess there’s precedent I would prefer DP on a different solo because of how restricted lists become with 8 points of gravus in there. Kind of sad that after 3 weeks of feedback asking for a slight stat buff for gravus nothing changed outside of DP. Feel like the devs dropped the ballt there
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spideredd
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Post by spideredd on May 20, 2018 21:51:58 GMT
I really should have given that more cred. Free Gravus would eliminate my only concerns about him. I just didn't see it happening. But it should. Not sure I like the idea of free dragoon’s, but ret already gets one so I guess there’s precedent I would prefer DP on a different solo because of how restricted lists become with 8 points of gravus in there. Kind of sad that after 3 weeks of feedback asking for a slight stat buff for gravus nothing changed outside of DP. Feel like the devs dropped the ballt there I can see why they think he's worth 8 points. Lots of utility (including a speed buff. We never get speed buffs), durability isn't bad, speed is pretty good and for a support solo, his output isn't bad. I take him with all my Exemplars anyway, so I'm not upset about him not being free, but I can see why people don't like it. If he got +1 ARM, he'd be nearly perfect in my opinion, but I'm going to use him when the rules drop regardless.
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Post by mydnight on May 20, 2018 22:06:24 GMT
It really feels like PP spend too much time trying to fix and balance Bastions to the neglect of most other things.
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Post by macdaddy on May 20, 2018 22:27:06 GMT
It really feels like PP spend too much time trying to fix and balance Bastions to the neglect of most other things. That’s a pretty good point. I think Kreoss 2 also got a lot of attention but nothing really came from it. (Though he’s a better jack caster now go figure) I do think we got some good stuff though. I don’t want to whine too much. Errants Are Great. Cinerators with UA are great, bastion Senny is great. Errant Senny is finally an option again. Gade is back to being a solo murdering machine. I’m really excited about cyrenia. I think she plays any theme well. Faithfull masses for that sexy +4/+6 jackswing. Guardians for the super awesome Def skew Brick. If only her orders affected all FF she would be perfect.
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Post by Provengreil on May 21, 2018 12:29:50 GMT
It really feels like PP spend too much time trying to fix and balance Bastions to the neglect of most other things. That’s a pretty good point. I think Kreoss 2 also got a lot of attention but nothing really came from it. (Though he’s a better jack caster now go figure) I do think we got some good stuff though. I don’t want to whine too much. Errants Are Great. Cinerators with UA are great, bastion Senny is great. Errant Senny is finally an option again. Gade is back to being a solo murdering machine. I’m really excited about cyrenia. I think she plays any theme well. Faithfull masses for that sexy +4/+6 jackswing. Guardians for the super awesome Def skew Brick. If only her orders affected all FF she would be perfect. That's the devs fault. K2 got tons of attention, so they made his signature "delivery" more expensive and able to fail with more stuff at once. They still have no idea what to do with him but won't admit it.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on May 21, 2018 12:38:39 GMT
This did seem to be the Kreoss 2 and Bastion CID, while it's great they put legacy casters into CID, it can sometimes seem to distract from actually testing the new stuff.
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Post by Miafan on May 21, 2018 13:00:41 GMT
This did seem to be the Kreoss 2 and Bastion CID, while it's great they put legacy casters into CID, it can sometimes seem to distract from actually testing the new stuff. Yeah, and Kreoss2 is STILL crap. Lose-lose situation -_- I still live with hope that PP will astonish us with some unexpected and good changes on CID's conclusion.
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on May 21, 2018 13:45:17 GMT
This did seem to be the Kreoss 2 and Bastion CID, while it's great they put legacy casters into CID, it can sometimes seem to distract from actually testing the new stuff. To be fair, there wasn't much new stuff to test. This is by far the lowest model count release wave yet introduced into CID, which kind of stings when you look at what every other faction has had so far. I mean, buying seven models yields you the full force allowance of all models released in this wave.
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Post by Provengreil on May 21, 2018 16:42:29 GMT
This did seem to be the Kreoss 2 and Bastion CID, while it's great they put legacy casters into CID, it can sometimes seem to distract from actually testing the new stuff. To be fair, there wasn't much new stuff to test. This is by far the lowest model count release wave yet introduced into CID, which kind of stings when you look at what every other faction has had so far. I mean, buying seven models yields you the full force allowance of all models released in this wave. The glass half full side of this is that cinerators and bastions are so bad that the new versions are practically new models, but you already have some.
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Post by Provengreil on May 21, 2018 16:47:56 GMT
Aaaaaaand that's a wrap, CID is closed. Now, we wait.
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Post by macdaddy on May 21, 2018 16:50:20 GMT
To be fair, there wasn't much new stuff to test. This is by far the lowest model count release wave yet introduced into CID, which kind of stings when you look at what every other faction has had so far. I mean, buying seven models yields you the full force allowance of all models released in this wave. The glass half full side of this is that cinerators and bastions are so bad that the new versions are practically new models, but you already have some. Yeah, I already own 2 units of cinerators and one unit of bastions. I don't find myself ever running 2 max units of bastions under the current rules iteration. So basically I will probs be buying: 1: Cyrenia (maybe) 2: 2 Cinerator CA's 3: Hand of Silence 4: Maybe Gravus if he keeps Desperate Pace I really like the idea of the shrine, but I can never see myself being able to fit it into a list in its current iteration. Maybe Ill figure something out, at the least I think it will be a pretty model.
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