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Post by zwergenkrieger on Apr 9, 2018 13:40:06 GMT
Hi all,
I'm about to start a new faction and one thing I really like to field is cavalry. Legion has some pretty nice looking models and therefore I think about starting that faction.
But what about the Raptors?
Are they any good?
Which warlocks would you recommend?
Thanks in advance.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Apr 9, 2018 15:29:37 GMT
I don't mean to be a downer. But Legion Cavalry is not really a big piece of our faction. Yes they may be pretty decent. Some people may field them regularly. But as a faction they only occupy a small corner case.
Now, Chosen are set to release eventually. I would say those will be the biggest percentage of Primal Terrors lists. So if you're up for those as well, you can make a case of having a most cavalry collection.
To directly answer questions
Raptors are a good skirmishing unit, as are most of our ranged options. They clear infantry well, they have a great threat range, accurate, Repo 5", and relatively good defense stats. Weapon master pow 10 charges are not the high end of damage but are quite capable. They will not however survive too much face-to-face conflict.
They don't favor any one caster. We don't have a Kreoss3 or anything like that. Any caster that can protect them with a defense upkeep or can buff their damage when the choose to go in will work. Which is about 80% of our caster stable. Only beast specific casters like Abby 1&2 and Thagrosh 2 will not do too much for them. But mostly they are very independent and just do their job by themselves (a common Legion infantry trait)
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Post by unded on Apr 9, 2018 16:21:39 GMT
The cool thing is most players have diverging opinions on Legion, which imo is a good thing.
For my money, I consider raptors one of the best units in the game. They bring a suite of strengths that is really hard to match:
- great ranged threat against living with poison bows at a solid RAT
- real melee threat with reach 1 POW 10 WM attacks (and POW 12 horsies to boot)
- exceptionally fast with both SPD 9 and repo 5
- moderate defensive stat line at 14/15
Overall what you get is a self-sufficient unit that doesn’t need a warlock’s help, but will always appreciate it. They’re fantastic for taking a flank on their own and letting the bulk of you forces skew to the other flank.
The only real problem they have is that they’re stuck in two fairly lackluster themes. If you like to play out of theme (I really dislike Legion’s themes, so I do that fairly regularly) then you can’t go wrong with Raptors. If you intend to play Ravens or CotD, then I’d definitely get a unit as well.
-und_ed
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twity
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Post by twity on Apr 9, 2018 18:28:55 GMT
I disagree on the point of legion cavalry, though it is not my cup of tea. Plenty of people have been very successful at competitive tournaments with Ravens of War lists that revolve around two full units of raptors. The chosen are also looking like they will be very powerful.
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 9, 2018 18:33:46 GMT
Back before themes I watched a few double raptor lists kick some but. Poisoned bows are not too great into constructs, but they are great into other things. P+S 10 weaponmaster is also pretty cool if you can buff it with a spell like ignite, or an arm debuff.
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Post by newsun on Apr 9, 2018 23:11:10 GMT
I'll second that their biggest weakness right now is the themes they are in. Though there are some strong builds they can be included in. Most seem to gravitate towards more beasts though instead.
Double raptor, double grots is perfect fit for free models in Ravens and are a good infantry/ cavalry package.
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Post by twity on Apr 9, 2018 23:17:54 GMT
I don't think ravens is a weak theme at all. It is not an all-comers list, but is extremely potent when paired with a more traditional legion beast brick for a tournament.
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Post by chillychinaman on Apr 9, 2018 23:33:15 GMT
I don't think ravens is a weak theme at all. It is not an all-comers list, but is extremely potent when paired with a more traditional legion beast brick for a tournament. Just curious, do you have any battle reports? I don't mean to doubt your experience, I just realized while I was reading your post that I, personally, haven't seen many reports featuring the theme. Also what kind of lists would you drop it into? At first glance, the model selection would lean toward infantry lists, but I don't think it has the tools to deal with the meta ones such as GW, RFP, or magic. |
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Post by copperflame on Apr 10, 2018 13:41:36 GMT
I personally love Raptors and have had success with them. @forever_blight and unded already covered everything I think I could say. I'll reiterate that there is not a caster that is dedicated for them and a few that they do nothing for. But the casters I've enjoyed Raptors with the most have been Lylyth3, Fianna2 and Kallus2. The only two points that have tarnished my love for them - have been the cost (similar to any other Calvery unit) and Poison on the bows (I tend to face a lot of Warjacks). As far as themes, they are in CotD and Ravens. CotD has proven to be competitive (or at least with Thag1/Typhon setup). Ravens, I tend to want to run run Fianna2 flying circus setup with Raptors or double Raptors with L3/K2. I have not played it enough to give constructive feedback yet though. I was really hoping that Golab would be allowed in Ravens but that hasn't happened yet. I need to read through the tatica for Ravens again. It is the only theme that allows Deathstalkers and I often miss those little ladies of death. |
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Post by jansuza on Apr 10, 2018 13:43:21 GMT
They seem to recently be making it into every CotD list with Thags1. If they hang a in bit, they go up to def16 under fog of war, and +2 strength when they do go in cranks their damage output into the necessary ranges.
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twity
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Post by twity on Apr 10, 2018 16:28:25 GMT
I don't think ravens is a weak theme at all. It is not an all-comers list, but is extremely potent when paired with a more traditional legion beast brick for a tournament. Just curious, do you have any battle reports? I don't mean to doubt your experience, I just realized while I was reading your post that I, personally, haven't seen many reports featuring the theme. Also what kind of lists would you drop it into? At first glance, the model selection would lean toward infantry lists, but I don't think it has the tools to deal with the meta ones such as GW, RFP, or magic. Yup, I wrote a tactica for it too. What you drop it into really depends on what is running the list. For me, I drop my Ravens lists if my opponent doesn't have a counter. Battle ReportTacticaFor example, I like Ravens with Fyanna2 for the hard jam. Now this won't work against Menth BE/Kreuger1/old Nemo3, but a lot of times your opopnent doesn't have an answer. You can crush a lot of Khador/Ret/Skorne pairings that just don't have an answer to being blitzed by high defense infantry. Lylyth3 can hard counter lists that have squishy casters or gunlines with a lack of magical guns. Kallus1 can overwhelm people who don't have a huge volume of attacks. |
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Post by Lanz on Apr 16, 2018 0:08:10 GMT
Raptors are fantastic. They are the epitome of light cavalry. They can get lots of work done at range while avoiding a melee retaliation and they can hit hard on the charge.
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Post by cainuslupus on Apr 16, 2018 2:16:11 GMT
Hi all, I'm about to start a new faction and one thing I really like to field is cavalry. Legion has some pretty nice looking models and therefore I think about starting that faction. But what about the Raptors? Are they any good? Which warlocks would you recommend? Thanks in advance. Raptors are great. As for casters they're independent, but any caster giving them Stealth and Kallus2 will have synergy with them. Bloodlust makes them charge with 5 dice damage and 3 attack and his Feat extends their charge range to absurd levels. I've seen some K2 double Raptors tourney lists and they look strong. |
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