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Post by gedditoffme on Apr 8, 2018 5:12:39 GMT
Agree with Deller that this could be a big break for Skarre gunlines in Black Industries, and a many leviathan list could be horrifying with Denny0. I think she's pretty niche compared to the others, can't imagine much more willing & able to take her but there's nothing wrong with a model being only taken for a few lists.
I'm thinking the bigger issue now is that she doesn't really feel like a warcaster. No other warcaster or junior can be boiled down to "she's got one spell that's nice" (with the exception of the original Cygnar Jr, which at least also brings a boostable handcannon). There's no compelling reason to run a battlegroup with her (other than the one compulsory arc node), her melee output is abysmal, and she doesn't really bring a credible backup spell (in that wanting to cast dark seduction instead of parasite is rare and more dangerous given higher def of infantry). She feels more like a support solo than a legendary warcaster, and probably an overpriced solo (at 10 pts) if you don't give her a free arc node.
Not sure what I want (other than a higher melee POW and / or range to give her something worth playing for), dark seduction turning into something more interesting would be good: maybe shadowmancer or some other battlegroup buff, even a mostly maligned 'magic missilie' spell like stygian abyss would be cool & to feel like she can contribute on turns where parasite isn't needed.
A gun / magic missile spell would just make her feel like a proper warcaster.
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Post by onijet01 on Apr 8, 2018 9:34:40 GMT
..... She feels more like a support solo than a legendary warcaster, and probably an overpriced solo (at 10 pts) if you don't give her a free arc node..... Thats because sshe is NOT A LEGENDARY WARCASTER. She is stated to be a pre-warcaster solo. So why should she "feel" like a full warcaster? (Not meant to insult but needed to make point) And yah a free arcnode makes her worth the points but she has aditional usage outside gunlines (though they take the best use of her) she works well with carrion thralls to make those finisher bastards really scary and may even be worth having two nodes on her in some lists. As a combat solo yah she is a tad weak but hey i run scare 1 and the idea of a extra damage buff worth it.
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Post by gedditoffme on Apr 8, 2018 10:05:42 GMT
..... She feels more like a support solo than a legendary warcaster, and probably an overpriced solo (at 10 pts) if you don't give her a free arc node..... Thats because sshe is NOT A LEGENDARY WARCASTER. She is stated to be a pre-warcaster solo. So why should she "feel" like a full warcaster?
I think they've done a good job of making every other journeyman (in this generation and the original character journeymen) feel like a less powerful version of a warcaster. All have battlegroup support spells, an option for combat, usually some sort of ranged game or movement trick. Denny0 doesn't have any of this - she really feels that if she can't cast parasite on a turn she can't contribute, and I can't see a reason to run any other battlegroup than a single arc node.
Even support solo characters (eg ragman, Saxon, even WWS) have combat / 'magic missile' options on turns where their 'main' ability can't be used.
It's slightly odd considering her later versions are actually pretty good in a crutch combat (even if it isn't Denny1's preferred game).
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Post by onijet01 on Apr 8, 2018 11:26:54 GMT
Yaj but maybe early on she did not focus on combat to much.
Example sloan early story would not mingle or even sit with her troops and she only focused on her warjacks, but though later stories she has begun to change her veiws towards troops, maybe denny was the same.
She lost to her sister haley twice and bearly died the second time (haley always being more combat savvy) so i think it fits her naritive
Weather she is worth it or not im not sure but im planning to use her as a skarre 1 feated super aolo under dark guidence. The turn after she parisites if able.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Apr 9, 2018 14:48:42 GMT
She lost to her sister haley twice and bearly died the second time (haley always being more combat savvy) so i think it fits her naritive Excuse me? Denny had already chopped off her sister's arm and was about to deal the finishing blow when Victoria randomly found just the power she needed deep inside of her, took control of Denny's Slayer and ripped her in half. Deneghra is extremely lethal in 1-on-1 combat and this is because she focused on it a lot in her early days. Her weakness is that she plays with her food, especially her sister.
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Post by tarviche on Apr 9, 2018 21:13:55 GMT
I tried Denny0 last night in a Scaverous Black Industries list vs Butcher 3 WGK. Lost the game, but only because I triggered Vengeance without an exit plan.
Denny 0 performed very well. She scored a flag, put Parasite on two heavies over the course of the game, and survived multiple mortar blasts when she could camp a bit of focus. She only died because she got sucked into B3's Killzone, too.
Without her support, neither of those two heavies would likely have been removed. Scaverous just doesn't have the armour cracking for it. His feat helps her a bit, and she helps shore up one of his major weaknesses.
That's a very expensive support model--10 points for a Parasite is a hell of a lot, and if you want a unit in BI you're usually paying for her node instead of getting it free. I don't think she's going to create many problems at that price, but it definitely felt good to have that option available.
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Post by tesoe on Apr 9, 2018 22:27:11 GMT
She lost to her sister haley twice and bearly died the second time (haley always being more combat savvy) so i think it fits her naritive Excuse me? Denny had already chopped off her sister's arm and was about to deal the finishing blow when Victoria randomly found just the power she needed deep inside of her, took control of Denny's Slayer and ripped her in half. Deneghra is extremely lethal in 1-on-1 combat and this is because she focused on it a lot in her early days. Her weakness is that she plays with her food, especially her sister. Good catch. You're right, her sister beat her so bad the second time she did actually die. Not almost. It's why Denny2 & 3 are undead. Maybe she'll get better someday and Denny4 or 5 will be promoted to iron lichdom.
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