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Post by sardonicartery on Apr 3, 2017 18:12:52 GMT
Asked this on Facebook. Now for the stick-around version:
Now that we're a number of months into the errata, who have you settled into as your top Skorne warlock and why? What do you pair him/her with and why?
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Post by sardonicartery on Apr 3, 2017 18:13:04 GMT
For me, I've been fiddling around enough that I haven't yet settled in on one pick, I'm now to the point were I don't think Makeda1 is top. There's a lot I like there, but I think Rasheth might still have the edge on her.
Full speed Xerxis2 is a thing, too. I really liked pairing him with Morghoul2 for dude/spell hate (read: Orin) with some grievous wounds love and incorporeal Karn, but I should get back to Hexersi2 at some point. Banishing Ward alone is gold.
I've already come to the conclusion that our current season of ADR isn't strong enough (played Skorne ADR the last chunk of years of MK2).
Personally, I'm not good with Zaal2 immortal spam. I like occasionally trying to get better though.
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Post by didder on Apr 3, 2017 18:28:06 GMT
I like Zaadesh2 the most so far. I've never seen opponents have change their play so drastically as they do when facing him because they're trying to play around Def. Strike and Counter Charges. His kit comes together very satisfyingly. He can make enemy threat ranges matter a lot less, which lets me build him with much more variety. I hope to heaven he gets a sweet Aradus character beast soon, but I'm not sure they'll do that since it might cause problems with the journeyman versions being able to activate the bond.
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Post by sardonicartery on Apr 3, 2017 18:51:26 GMT
I like Zaadesh2 the most so far. I've never seen opponents have change their play so drastically as they do when facing him because they're trying to play around Def. Strike and Counter Charges. His kit comes together very satisfyingly. He can make enemy threat ranges matter a lot less, which lets me build him with much more variety. I hope to heaven he gets a sweet Aradus character beast soon, but I'm not sure they'll do that since it might cause problems with the journeyman versions being able to activate the bond. I think a journeyman activating the bond would be fine (and fun). One of my Convergence opponents considers Zaadesh2 his hardest match up in Skorne. |
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Post by fragpalm on Apr 3, 2017 19:58:30 GMT
I play about 4 games a week (more when there's a tourney), and I have yet to settle on a caster.
Xerxis2 has been my main caster for a majority of mk3, but I had a long stint with Xerxis1, and still believe him to be extremely potent.
I'm about to embark on a quest to use Rasheth as my main, realizing how hard it is to kill Sentries and a Mammoth under him, and the raw value of his spell list and feat.
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Post by demonic on Apr 3, 2017 21:02:03 GMT
I still need to use Zaadesh2, as I missed the early release. Zaal2 is very niche so I couldn't put him or Mordikaar, another niche caster, up at the top. Xerxis2 really benefits our beasts, but I don't think he has enough beast points, yet, to take full advantage of that feature. If our Cataphract were up to par, I'd definitely place Xerxis1 as our top caster, even with his 5 fury limitations.
Taking all this into account I'd have to give the reward for top current caster to Mak2, barely skirting Mak1 because of the difference in feats. Remember though, I haven't been playing as Zaadesh2 yet and am greatly anticipating him. How the hell could you not want to play a caster that gives all of our dangerous beasts counter charge!?
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Post by sardonicartery on Apr 3, 2017 22:23:47 GMT
I think Chiron will be very interesting with Zaadesh2. Gotta love sprays on the countercharge.
Oddly enough, the Facebook votes are all over the map. Much less Mak2 love than I figured.
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Post by bennep on Apr 4, 2017 9:59:00 GMT
Haven't found mine yet, though I have a soft spot for Xerxis2. Branching out to other warlocks atm. Going to test me an old favourite: Mordikaar.
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Post by Ereshkigal on Apr 4, 2017 14:16:44 GMT
I can't settle. I think these are the ones i like the most: Zaadesh 2, Xerxis 1, Makeda 1, Makeda 2, Rasheth. My favored right now are Makeda 2 and Zadeesh 2 though (they even pair well enough if you build zaadesh 2 full battlegroup)
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Post by toconut on Apr 4, 2017 21:18:29 GMT
I've been having a lot of success with zaadesh2. He's really strong, and you can win games banking on no charges from infantry+one arm 23 (with agonizer 25) heavy beast. Countercharge is sometimes useful, but I tend to play him with despoiler to make full use of 3 clouds. Oh, and his feat is bonkers.
To be honest, though, I don't think we have a "strongest" warlock. With this ever changing meta my choice has changed multiple times so far.
Makeda2 and Zaadesh2 I'm sure are extremely viable. Both can play into a lot of different situations, and are able to hold ground extremely efficiently. Makeda has easier assassination, Zaadesh is closer to a control caster.
Those are not the only competitive though! I've had positive feedback paying against our wtc members even with Xekaar (would be top tier strong if it wasn't so fragile) and Xerxis1. Zaal2 is also feared around here, but I've never played it myself.
To be honest, I truly think all our casters are good enough to figure in a pairing, and skorne's the only faction able to do so.
I see as weakest mordikaar and Naaresh, but some people play them to really high competitive standard, meaning they're actually good.
In the next future my opinion could change once more, because I'm going to play a lot of Xerxis 1 and it might actually be what I'm looking for a makeda 2 pair
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Post by demonic on Apr 4, 2017 21:47:40 GMT
funny enough, both Mordi and Naaresh are pretty damn decent casters, though Naaresh's feat kind of sucks. Our low balling casters would be Mak3, morg1, and Xekaar. However, as you said, even Xekaar is a dangerous man if you keep him out of assassination position. Everything that Mak3 or Morg1 bring to the table, however, can be brought by another caster with even more style.
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Post by toconut on Apr 4, 2017 21:58:38 GMT
funny enough, both Mordi and Naaresh are pretty damn decent casters, though Naaresh's feat kind of sucks. Our low balling casters would be Mak3, morg1, and Xekaar. However, as you said, even Xekaar is a dangerous man if you keep him out of assassination position. Everything that Mak3 or Morg1 bring to the table, however, can be brought by another caster with even more style. You're right I forgot those! I kind of agree with you, but I wouldn't call them bad. I mean, not in the way I'd call bad Ashlyinn or Denny3 or Borka2. They're playable to me, I've been thinking about them few times. I think we can agree Makeda3 is one of our most problematic casters, but I've been playing a lot of morghoul1 pre errata and he was actually quite good! My issue with him (and I got frustrated by that) was high impact casters that are not limited by his feat. If Amon wasn't so popular and couldn't kill my heavies at ps17 I wouldn't have changed morghoul, for he was kind of strong in my eyes. +2SPD/STR coupled with his feat is good, and so is Admonition (really good in this edition). I see Xerxis 2 to be a potential competitor, but morghoul's feat is quite impactful and new beasts' cost might make him real good. Also, he's borderline unkillable with dodge and steady! |
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Post by regleant on Apr 5, 2017 3:20:58 GMT
I've been loving Zaal1 and Makeda1 as a pair. Makeda1 just comes with too many tools and has a lot of answers, with an ever-present assassination threat. Zaal1 is the opposite, he needs an opponent to have answers otherwise GG. Seriously, Swordsmen rolling 5 dice of damage is awesome. 3 hits to kill a Retribution jack sounds like a fair trade to me!
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Post by moberg on Apr 5, 2017 5:15:40 GMT
I've been playing around quite a lot and haven't really settled on any specific caster. The ones I've used the most are probably: Mordikaar, Makeda2, Xerxis1, Hexeris2 and Rasheth. But I've been trying out the Zaals and Naaresh a bit as well. At the moment I'm trying to find the best place to put the Hydra, and a lot of our casters seem to handle her well. Probably going to play more with Rasheth and Hex2, since they bring a lot of great buffs for the Hydra.
Really looking forward to playing Zaadesh2, he seems like a true beast of a caster, and his playstyle also seem to differ quite a bit from the rest of our stable.
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Post by demonic on Apr 5, 2017 15:19:55 GMT
Right now, the Hydra doesn't really have a permanent home. His defense is way too low for his arm, especially when it gets cut in half (which happens a lot in my current meta). I like running him with Naaresh but only because of his beast points. If Xekaar didn't get assassinated by a stiff breeze he'd probably be my go-to caster for the Hydra.
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