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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Apr 2, 2017 21:56:48 GMT
I know it sounds so entitled from a faction where 95% of the casters are working properly, but Damn do I wish he worked as intended.
I know he's GOOD but I hate that niggling feeling of Broadsides looking at me with guilt.
I wish he worked as his blurb intended, as a Ranged Warjack Caster for Khador. As opposed to "Screw the Ranged Stuff, Take a Maurader"
Maybe it would take as little as exchanging Broadsides for a Battlegroup and ranged only version of S&P?
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Post by The Snark Knight on Apr 2, 2017 22:11:40 GMT
Harkevich IS working as intended. It's not his fault ranged Khador 'jacks aren't worth taking.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Apr 2, 2017 22:16:10 GMT
Harkevich IS working as intended. It's not his fault ranged Khador 'jacks aren't worth taking. Just that Old Witch 2 as being playtested right now actually has me going: "Maybe a Ranged jack could be worth a Pickup....." because of good synergy.
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Post by The Snark Knight on Apr 2, 2017 22:52:37 GMT
Seems fair.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Apr 2, 2017 22:57:44 GMT
She provides multiple different ways of Boosting Accuracy and her good debuff encourages targeting a single model at once, she can also load up a Jack fully for 1 focus so Decimators and Destroyers really work well with her. The Decimator could help to loose 2 points as well, but thats future stuff.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Apr 3, 2017 21:24:25 GMT
The Destroyer is actually pretty good now. Behemoth was always good. The problem Hark is that broadsides is really expensive and you're not going to get direct hits often. If broadsides was cheap, or gave you boosted attack rolls...
Also Bombshell only working on a critical hit makes the ranged Assassination too iffy.
I've tried Hark with double colossals just to see if I could force the trick... and it just wasn't that good.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Apr 3, 2017 22:24:38 GMT
I think Broadsides is NOT the spell that Khadoran Ranged Warjacks Need. I like the Destroyer as well, but it needs more power and damage. Not an extra attack.
If instead of Broadside he had something like a ranged S&P, I could see some nice comboes.
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Post by cplmustard on Apr 3, 2017 23:05:41 GMT
I'd swap broadsides for guided fire any day, I built a ranged spam list with him when the errata came out and even then I couldn't find a turn where I'd rather use broadsides over mobility or just allocating 3.
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Post by Netherby on Apr 4, 2017 0:17:42 GMT
There are two problems. One is Broadside is half his focus and the other is that Khador ranged jacks can't hit the broad side of mammoth without boosting.
For it to ever be useful there has to be an accuracy fixer.
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Post by khador247 on Apr 4, 2017 2:40:38 GMT
I think that Harkevich is going to like having the Winter Guard Artillery Kapitan available. That +2 RAT and the ability to reroll direction and/or distance should be helpful.
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Post by Blargaliscious on Apr 4, 2017 2:55:27 GMT
Maybe after SR2017 comes out there will be more infantry hitting the table, and Broadsides will be more interesting since a scatter will have more of a chance of clearing some infantry.
When I look at Harkevich I don't see a "jack caster." I see a combined arms caster that uses our ranged warjacks to maximum effect to support the infantry. Some people say that Broadside is a trap. (Thank you Admiral Ackbar.) I think that Mobility is a trap - it makes you want to take a lot of warjacks when that may not be the best idea.
Another thing to consider is the design aesthetic behind Khador is Russia / Soviet Union / Eastern Europe. One of the best Soviet Generals that the USSR had (and Stalin didn't assassinate) was Zhukov who loved artillery. (When Harkevich was rolled out his write-up screamed "wonderful hero of the people" and stank of Politburo propaganda.) While Broadside doesn't play well into SR where a smaller number of attacks that *will* hit are appreciated, it does pay respect to the Soviet thinking that "quantity has a quality all of its own."
Heck, I'm surprised that the text for Hour of the Wolf doesn't start with "Replace the warjacks in the spellcaster's battlegroup with T-34 tanks."
Maybe the way to play Harkevich is to take Black Ivan, 3-4 Decimators / Destroyers / Demolishers (as you see fit) and your favorite selection of self-sufficient infantry? Turn 1 cast Mobility and run the whole gang up as fast as you can. Turn 2 cast Broadside while standing still for an initial artillery barrage (then Reposition 3") and advance infantry as the situation dictates. Turn 3 you feat and cast both Broadside and Mobility. After that it is up to you.
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Post by Netherby on Apr 4, 2017 3:04:29 GMT
Still won't make Broadside worth casting. You would rather have the +2 Rat and reroll on the active turn.
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Post by khador247 on Apr 4, 2017 3:41:42 GMT
Still won't make Broadside worth casting. You would rather have the +2 Rat and reroll on the active turn. Yeah that's true. It won't help the Broadsides shots. That's unfortunate. It would still help the initial shots though so still should be somewhat useful. The problem I see is that if you play Harkevich with AOE spam you're solving a problem that really isn't a problem in MKIII...dudespam. I do think that theme lists will help bring more dudes to the table but not like what we saw in MKII. At one point Hark with double Victors looked appealing to me. Now not so much.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Apr 4, 2017 3:50:38 GMT
Thing is if we want to deal with Dudespam, we don't really have a problem with it. And limiting yourself to fighing dudespam is a lost cause really.
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Post by Netherby on Apr 4, 2017 3:53:37 GMT
Yeah back in Mk2 land, Broadside on Victor looked like it would be amazing.
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