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Post by piedpiperwtf on May 21, 2017 13:43:02 GMT
The beast mistress gives you threat range. Swordsmen are pretty slow 10" threat? The shredders go 11.5" which is may be best in the list. Expect raptors. I've been thinking of taking archers for the threat range and spewing vessel bodies. You could do a lylyth2 archer list in COTD. Take about 5 bolt throwers and some archer units. add in a couple scather crews for board control?!?!
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Post by Cheesebeard on May 21, 2017 17:31:04 GMT
You could do a lylyth2 archer list in COTD. Take about 5 bolt throwers and some archer units. add in a couple scather crews for board control?!?! Can we get those for free in-theme, yet? I feel like I might take one at 0 pts... Maybe. There was an idea somewhere that suggested giving them ammo types, which I think could be a good direction for improving them. I fully expect an artillery CID at some point...
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 22, 2017 12:06:49 GMT
I'm really wanting to find a Lylyth 1 or 2 list. But I've hardly played her in any composition before. It's also nothing to defend against guns, which the Kryssa list would fall over to in a heart beat. So the comment to take Thag1 as a pair would probably be smarter.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 22, 2017 14:20:29 GMT
In COTD there is absolutely no reason not to take beast mistresses and shredders with Kryssa. You have the light warbeasts needed to start flank for shredders. The only downside is that you won't play this into cygnar due to arcane shield. Realistically, you wouldn't play Kryssa into cygnar anyways unless your outing wasn't optimal to begin with. No argument from me. When I first started playing Kryssa I ran Mistress and 4 shredders to hilarious effect. My only issue is control range. I have to run a shepherd up with the shredders. Then loose the shredder (oh well) but then maybe lose the shepherd. Not the biggest loss in the world though. Especially if you do take a spawning vessel. Has anyone gone way out left field and run double spawning vessels? It's a lot of points but a pair of shredders a turn seems far more useful, due to the addition of flank. I was thinking two min units but that makes it really freaking slow getting up the board. Not necessarily under Kryssa (though my list would be able to fill both with corpses 3 times over) but maybe under something like Abby 2 or Thagrosh 2. Idk
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Post by Cheesebeard on May 22, 2017 16:42:29 GMT
I'm really wanting to find a Lylyth 1 or 2 list. But I've hardly played her in any composition before. It's also nothing to defend against guns, which the Kryssa list would fall over to in a heart beat. So the comment to take Thag1 as a pair would probably be smarter. Lylyth2 took a massive hit going into MK3 - it was pretty clearly a targeted nerf across multiple aspects of her game, and her being absent in tournament play has reflected her fall from grace. Her current version isn't unplayable, but it's not what it was, and other nerfs to things like the Ravagore's animus, fury management, succubus unable to cast animi hit her harder than most. She still has game, although it will depend a lot more on infantry, and her feat losing threat extension, the loss of Shadow Pack, and eyeless sight no longer seeing thru forests doesn't put her in a great spot matching up to other gunlines – which, as you said, makes her a little tough to pair. With both Lylyth1/2, I feel like they suffer from not really wanting to play in theme, but not gaining enough from playing out of theme to make them a competitive pick compared to the stronger theme casters. A character beast could help a lot, as could some of the upcoming themes and releases – and it kind of feels like that's what her first and second incarnations might be waiting on. It's hard to say without the vision that PP has into the future releases.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on May 22, 2017 17:49:53 GMT
I would totally be fine with her current version if she had kept shadow pack.
I wish we had some better anti-shooting tech somewhere in general...
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Post by Whiskie on May 23, 2017 1:34:35 GMT
You can play Lylyth2 without infantry just fine. I took it to the SOO and ran over more than one opponent.
Lylyth2 - Oracles - 3x Ravagore - 2x Bolt Thrower - Seraph - Naga - Succubus (free)
Sorceress & Hellion (free) 2x Forsaken (free) 2x Shepherd
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Post by ComboSmiteNick on May 23, 2017 12:28:05 GMT
You can play Lylyth2 without infantry just fine. I took it to the SOO and ran over more than one opponent. Lylyth2 - Oracles - 3x Ravagore - 2x Bolt Thrower - Seraph - Naga - Succubus (free) Sorceress & Hellion (free) 2x Forsaken (free) 2x Shepherd Lol. That's pt for pt exactly what I came up with for Lyl2 in Oracles. Seems good.
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Post by piedpiperwtf on May 23, 2017 15:15:18 GMT
You can play Lylyth2 without infantry just fine. I took it to the SOO and ran over more than one opponent. Lylyth2 - Oracles - 3x Ravagore - 2x Bolt Thrower - Seraph - Naga - Succubus (free) Sorceress & Hellion (free) 2x Forsaken (free) 2x Shepherd Lol. That's pt for pt exactly what I came up with for Lyl2 in Oracles. Seems good. I like this list allowing lylyth herself to threat 27" first turn, it says goodnight to the opponents AD.
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Post by Whiskie on May 23, 2017 19:11:41 GMT
You can play Lylyth2 without infantry just fine. I took it to the SOO and ran over more than one opponent. Lylyth2 - Oracles - 3x Ravagore - 2x Bolt Thrower - Seraph - Naga - Succubus (free) Sorceress & Hellion (free) 2x Forsaken (free) 2x Shepherd Lol. That's pt for pt exactly what I came up with for Lyl2 in Oracles. Seems good. Yeah man we talked about it at the SOO. As piedpiper said Lylyth reaches into the opponent's AD line only 1" less than Lylyth3 does and with the potential to kill four models instead of 3!
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Post by newsun on May 23, 2017 19:15:33 GMT
Though Lyl3+RoW shuts down AD entirely, is that better than killing a few models? Lol. That's pt for pt exactly what I came up with for Lyl2 in Oracles. Seems good. Yeah man we talked about it at the SOO. As piedpiper said Lylyth reaches into the opponent's AD line only 1" less than Lylyth3 does and with the potential to kill four models instead of 3!
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Post by Whiskie on May 23, 2017 19:55:27 GMT
Though Lyl3+RoW shuts down AD entirely, is that better than killing a few models? Yeah man we talked about it at the SOO. As piedpiper said Lylyth reaches into the opponent's AD line only 1" less than Lylyth3 does and with the potential to kill four models instead of 3! The lists just do entirely different things at that point. One is a hard gunline, the other is a harassing 'float like a butterfly, sting like a bee' guerrilla force. It's hard to compare them. Focusing in on just one aspect of the Lylyth2 list and comparing it to an entirely different list doesn't seem right.
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Post by tanarii on May 23, 2017 21:42:29 GMT
So what would a harassing lylyth2 ravens list look like? I'm imagining deathstalkers, raptors and annyssa along with lylyth herself to handle infantry, solos and start putting damage on things, with neraphs to finish stuff off and sprint away...
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Post by maximumhippo on May 24, 2017 0:29:55 GMT
So what would a harassing lylyth2 ravens list look like? I'm imagining deathstalkers, raptors and annyssa along with lylyth herself to handle infantry, solos and start putting damage on things, with neraphs to finish stuff off and sprint away... Kinda getting off topic here. But I digress. I've been playing Kryssa/Lylyth2 as a pair. Lylyth I run in ravens with double raptors, an angelius three boltthrowers, annyssa and deathstalkers
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Post by maximumhippo on May 24, 2017 0:39:08 GMT
So what would a harassing lylyth2 ravens list look like? I'm imagining deathstalkers, raptors and annyssa along with lylyth herself to handle infantry, solos and start putting damage on things, with neraphs to finish stuff off and sprint away... Kinda getting off topic here. But I digress. I've been playing Kryssa/Lylyth2 as a pair. Lylyth I run in ravens with double raptors, an angelius three boltthrowers, annyssa and deathstalkers I was just messing around with the last since I know people are going to knock me for not having a Naga. I got this going as a result. War Room Army Legion of Everblight - Lylyth2 ravens Theme: Ravens of War 2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Armory - Steamroller Objective Lylyth, Shadow of Everblight - WB: +28 - Angelius - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Nephilim Bolt Thrower - PC: 11 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11) - Nephilim Bolt Thrower - PC: 11 - Naga Nightlurker - PC: 8 Annyssa Ryvaal - PC: 8 Strider Deathstalker - PC: 0 Strider Deathstalker - PC: 0 Grotesque Assassin - PC: 4 Blighted Nyss Raptors - Leader & 4 Grunts: 18 Blighted Nyss Raptors - Leader & 4 Grunts: 18 Grotesque Raiders - Leader & 5 Grunts: 8
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