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Post by cptpescanova on Oct 29, 2017 8:58:10 GMT
With 2xbouncer, impaler, don´t you rely on charging with Champions as only seious armor breaker? Isn´t that a big risk against heavy BG armies or something with lots of buffs to armor?
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gorsk
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Post by gorsk on Oct 29, 2017 12:28:58 GMT
Here is a another take (admittedly, I don't have much experience so who knows). I just want an excuse to field long riders. :-)
Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain - WB: +29 - Trollkin Runebearer - P:0 - Dire Troll Bomber - P 19 (WB used 19) - Dire Troll Mauler - P 15 (WB used 10)
Fell Caller Hero - P: 0 Fell Caller Hero - P: 0
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes: 1 Leader & 5 Grunts - P: 9 - Stone Scribe Elder - P: 3 Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts - P: 16 - Trollkin Sorcerer - P:3 Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts - P: 16 - Trollkin Sorcerer - P: 3 Trollkin Long Riders - Leader & 4 Grunts - P:20
A fell caller could be swapped for Skaldi, to give one champ unit 3 more boxes. However, you would lose the +2 MAT and/or more versatile pathfinder.
Swapping the Mauler for an Axer and dropping a Fell Caller, shifting one of the 3 point solos to become free would enable you to take Horthol with the Long Riders. Though I wonder if we are better off keeping the focus of the list the units of champions, so removing their support and adding it to the long riders might not be a great idea.
Hmm, I need to buy some fell callers and sorcerers... and paint. I need to paint more trolls.
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Madrak 1
Oct 29, 2017 14:36:20 GMT
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Post by Trollock on Oct 29, 2017 14:36:20 GMT
With 2xbouncer, impaler, don´t you rely on charging with Champions as only seious armor breaker? Isn´t that a big risk against heavy BG armies or something with lots of buffs to armor? Yes. But with two units of champs plus the feat to help me get the charge, it shoyld be fine. Madrak woyld not be my anti arm drop though. My grim 1 list can kill all the arm i need
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Madrak 1
Oct 31, 2017 15:16:41 GMT
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Post by trollquinn on Oct 31, 2017 15:16:41 GMT
War Room Army
Trollblood - New Army
Theme: Band of Heroes 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain - WB: +29 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0 - Troll Axer - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10) - Troll Impaler - PC: 11 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11) - Swamp Troll - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8)
Fell Caller Hero - PC: 5
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 - Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3 Sons of Bragg - Wrathar, Tor & Rhudd: 11 Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 - Skaldi Bonehammer - PC: 0 Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 Trollkin Fennblades - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Trollkin Fennblade Officer & Drummer - Officer & Drummer: 0
THEME: Band of Heroes ---
GENERATED : 10/31/2017 07:59:13 BUILD ID : 2052.17-10-13
How do you guys feel about this???
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 31, 2017 15:58:59 GMT
With 2xbouncer, impaler, don´t you rely on charging with Champions as only seious armor breaker? Isn´t that a big risk against heavy BG armies or something with lots of buffs to armor? Yes. But with two units of champs plus the feat to help me get the charge, it shoyld be fine. Madrak woyld not be my anti arm drop though. My grim 1 list can kill all the arm i need What do you plan to cover with the madrack1/grim1 pair? What are the ideas for match ups for both?
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Madrak 1
Oct 31, 2017 17:46:49 GMT
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Post by mazog on Oct 31, 2017 17:46:49 GMT
War Room Army Trollblood - New Army Theme: Band of Heroes 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain - WB: +29 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0 - Troll Axer - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10) - Troll Impaler - PC: 11 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11) - Swamp Troll - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) Fell Caller Hero - PC: 5 Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 - Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3 Sons of Bragg - Wrathar, Tor & Rhudd: 11 Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 - Skaldi Bonehammer - PC: 0 Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 Trollkin Fennblades - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Trollkin Fennblade Officer & Drummer - Officer & Drummer: 0 THEME: Band of Heroes --- GENERATED : 10/31/2017 07:59:13 BUILD ID : 2052.17-10-13 How do you guys feel about this??? Looks kinda like my list, so it'll probably have trouble with arm but can dominate scenario.
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Post by Trollock on Oct 31, 2017 20:41:20 GMT
Yes. But with two units of champs plus the feat to help me get the charge, it shoyld be fine. Madrak woyld not be my anti arm drop though. My grim 1 list can kill all the arm i need What do you plan to cover with the madrack1/grim1 pair? What are the ideas for match ups for both? It basically started with me wanting to play Grim 1 in PoD with no stone. That is a list that handles melee lists very well. It does not like to be shot at though, and it is not good in to ghost fleet since it has no RFP and low volume of attacks. The Madrak 1 list i built has lots of game against shooty lists and it should trounce ghost fleet. I guess Khador is a bit list chicken-y if they play 10 jacks + winter guard spam. It probably has to be Madrak that plays against that, and he is not superb against 10 jacks, but 10 jacks are not superb against DEF 16 champions either, so it is at least a game.
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Post by radamanthys on Nov 1, 2017 11:52:28 GMT
Hi guys, this is my last list with Madrak1
War Room Army
Trollblood - Madrak1 75p.
Theme: Storm of the North 1 / 1 Free Cards 74 / 75 Army
Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain - WB: +29 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0 - Glacier King - PC: 35 (Battlegroup Points Used: 29) - Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 - Earthborn Dire Troll - PC: 14
Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 3 Grunts: 6 - Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3
THEME: Storm of the North ---
GENERATED : 11/01/2017 12:49:20 BUILD ID : 2052.17-10-13
Champs b2b = def 16 FE = def 15 3" GK (Concelment) = +2def
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Post by mazog on Nov 1, 2017 13:30:30 GMT
Hi guys, this is my last list with Madrak1 War Room Army Trollblood - Madrak1 75p. Theme: Storm of the North 1 / 1 Free Cards 74 / 75 Army Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain - WB: +29 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0 - Glacier King - PC: 35 (Battlegroup Points Used: 29) - Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 - Earthborn Dire Troll - PC: 14 Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 3 Grunts: 6 - Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3 THEME: Storm of the North --- GENERATED : 11/01/2017 12:49:20 BUILD ID : 2052.17-10-13 Champs b2b = def 16 FE = def 15 3" GK (Concelment) = +2def This may be my support bias talking, but if the Earthborn becomes a bouncer, you can add Skaldi or a sorcerer and then get free whelps, which I think you will need for fury management. You do lose some a lot of punch on the big round, but gain the ability to punch harder round after round. Plus whelps on top of even ground have to be hilarious.
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Post by Trollock on Nov 1, 2017 14:26:33 GMT
I agree that having 39 points of units seem sup optimal. Almost as playing outside theme... Dropping the EBDT for a light and maxed stone will give you a few more points for a solo or something as well as a free Skaldi.
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Post by allinontrolls on Nov 1, 2017 14:29:57 GMT
in my opinion SotN is a alaround better way to play madrak1 then in boh. the main reason to play him is to drop madrak1 into GF. Currently your benefit of playing in SotN is that you are allowed to bring 2 unit of fire eaters. With madrak they are DEF15 without any terrain. Then all new stuff will be playable in this new theme so you can add battle bears and Valka to the mix of new options.
Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North
!!! Your army contains pre-release entries.
(Madrak 1) Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain [+29] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Troll Bouncer [9] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Eilish Garrity, the Occultist [5] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North [0(6)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [5] - Trollkin Sorcerer (1) [3]
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Post by radamanthys on Nov 1, 2017 14:37:15 GMT
Hi guys, this is my last list with Madrak1 War Room Army Trollblood - Madrak1 75p. Theme: Storm of the North 1 / 1 Free Cards 74 / 75 Army Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain - WB: +29 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0 - Glacier King - PC: 35 (Battlegroup Points Used: 29) - Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 - Earthborn Dire Troll - PC: 14 Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 3 Grunts: 6 - Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 3 THEME: Storm of the North --- GENERATED : 11/01/2017 12:49:20 BUILD ID : 2052.17-10-13 Champs b2b = def 16 FE = def 15 3" GK (Concelment) = +2def This may be my support bias talking, but if the Earthborn becomes a bouncer, you can add Skaldi or a sorcerer and then get free whelps, which I think you will need for fury management. You do lose some a lot of punch on the big round, but gain the ability to punch harder round after round. Plus whelps on top of even ground have to be hilarious. I agree that having 39 points of units seem sup optimal. Almost as playing outside theme... Dropping the EBDT for a light and maxed stone will give you a few more points for a solo or something as well as a free Skaldi. Maybe this list its better option War Room Army Trollblood - Madrak1 75p. Theme: Storm of the North 2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain - WB: +29 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0 - Glacier King - PC: 35 (Battlegroup Points Used: 29) - Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 - Troll Axer - PC: 10 Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 - Skaldi Bonehammer - PC: 5 Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 - Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 0 THEME: Storm of the North --- GENERATED : 11/01/2017 15:33:54 BUILD ID : 2052.17-10-13
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Post by radamanthys on Nov 1, 2017 14:41:00 GMT
You do not think of gk as a great option for madrak1?
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 2, 2017 7:25:20 GMT
I do like the idea of running him with both Champs and Fire Eaters in SOTN. That is where I will start.
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Post by Trollock on Nov 2, 2017 7:33:20 GMT
Maybe this list its better option War Room Army Trollblood - Madrak1 75p. Theme: Storm of the North 2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain - WB: +29 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0 - Glacier King - PC: 35 (Battlegroup Points Used: 29) - Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 - Troll Axer - PC: 10 Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 - Skaldi Bonehammer - PC: 5 Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 - Stone Scribe Elder - PC: 0 THEME: Storm of the North --- GENERATED : 11/01/2017 15:33:54 BUILD ID : 2052.17-10-13 If you pay for the elder instead, you get Skaldi for free. Then you have 2 more points for a Feralgeist for example. Having no fury managent for such a big battle group is not great though. Perhaps a Chef is better. Then you can eat a stone scribe or two with the GK to not frenzy.
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