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Post by Azuresun on Sept 30, 2017 10:03:24 GMT
Gotta sell those models, man... probably when they sell enough they'll nerf everything. It's theme lists, but hey, not so thematic that we don't try to sell models even when they make absolutely 0 sense in the theme. Also, Firetruck merc players. I think the reason can be summed up as "whoops", after the mission statement on themes changed to their being the intended way to play. A lot of mercenary solos were designed so that every faction could access common requirements like Pathfinder or upkeep removal, without needing to release a different solo for each faction. I mean, it still makes a mockery of the concept of "theme", but I can see why it's there from a mechanical standpoint (other than more buffs for Cygnar and Khador).
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Post by cainuslupus on Sept 30, 2017 10:32:04 GMT
Still don't understand why Khador is the only faction who was limited to non-character merch soloes (in Winterguard Kommand) and non-character units (in Iron Legion). WK literally has 2 solo options; The Tinker and the Bokur (because we want shield guard in the theme that gives sac pawn right?). We are the only faction to get that stipulation to. Hope its an oversight. Maybe because is a moment of lucidty, they realised the Vlad1 gunline needed to be kept far away from Aiyana and Reinholdt? I'm shocked that moment happened.
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Post by W0lfBane on Sept 30, 2017 11:37:28 GMT
I meant PP tells merc players "Firetruck you, everybody gets their choice of YOUR models in their themes, but you won't" Yeah allowing people to use all those merc models that they bought so long ago to work for them again, was only made to say Firetruck you merc players. They probably targeted you specifically too
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Post by benkei on Sept 30, 2017 11:58:13 GMT
Oh, wait, can't you play out of theme and use all that sweet merc models you bought?
Oh... I thought so
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 30, 2017 12:04:10 GMT
Also no free Rhadeim. Command attachments (Praetorian Swordsmen, Karax and Vorkesh) and TyComms only. A little mercy at least. Gosh I am gonna hate playing into this haha.
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Post by Deller on Sept 30, 2017 13:21:16 GMT
Oh, wait, can't you play out of theme and use all that sweet merc models you bought? Oh... I thought so Not if you actually want to increase your chance at winning. Welcome to the edition of Theme Forces, where out of theme lists are almost always inferior
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Post by Cryptix on Sept 30, 2017 13:21:35 GMT
Still don't understand why Khador is the only faction who was limited to non-character merch soloes (in Winterguard Kommand) and non-character units (in Iron Legion). WK literally has 2 solo options; The Tinker and the Bokur (because we want shield guard in the theme that gives sac pawn right?). We are the only faction to get that stipulation to. Hope its an oversight. Maybe because is a moment of lucidty, they realised the Vlad1 gunline needed to be kept far away from Aiyana and Reinholdt? Isn't Aiyana and Holt a unit, so they can take them?
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Post by benkei on Sept 30, 2017 13:26:08 GMT
Oh, wait, can't you play out of theme and use all that sweet merc models you bought? Oh... I thought so Not if you actually want to increase your chance at winning. Welcome to the edition of Theme Forces, where out of theme lists are almost always inferior So...wait, it doesn't matter if mercs can't play all their options in their themes while everybody else can, but it does matter if other factions can't m
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Post by Deller on Sept 30, 2017 13:44:03 GMT
Not if you actually want to increase your chance at winning. Welcome to the edition of Theme Forces, where out of theme lists are almost always inferior So...wait, it doesn't matter if mercs can't play all their options in their themes while everybody else can, but it does matter if other factions can't m I can't play all my options in my themes? If you want to play all Merc options in a theme play Irregulars. Mercs has the single most open theme in the game. You get every single model in the faction but 2. How is it Mercs don't have every option in theme?
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Sept 30, 2017 13:49:56 GMT
And the Llael theme has access to units from two other factions. The Mercs sob story has lost ammunition.
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Post by W0lfBane on Sept 30, 2017 14:55:06 GMT
Not if you actually want to increase your chance at winning. Welcome to the edition of Theme Forces, where out of theme lists are almost always inferior So...wait, it doesn't matter if mercs can't play all their options in their themes while everybody else can, but it does matter if other factions can't m I'm sorry not every faction gets a almost unrestricted theme that grants bonuses for building what used to be out of theme. Also it seems you're forgetting mercenaries hire themselves out to other factions to make the money. You want your poor mercs to starve?
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Post by Aegis on Sept 30, 2017 16:04:46 GMT
Sons can take sylys or the gobber as attachments. So can Graveddigers. And so? Casters like Siege, Caine2 and others don't need Sylys. They need Squire. Also, using the only merc solo slot for Sylis (not taking things like Ragman or other powersolos) is very different from having the option to take a FF models, maybe also for free. That said, it seems to be an error in the PDF. Squire and melee jacks are still there in SoT.
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Post by Cryptix on Sept 30, 2017 16:30:11 GMT
Sons can take sylys or the gobber as attachments. So can Graveddigers. And so? Casters like Siege, Caine2 and others don't need Sylys. They need Squire. Also, using the only merc solo slot for Sylis (not taking things like Ragman or other powersolos) is very different from having the option to take a FF models, maybe also for free. That said, it seems to be an error in the PDF. Squire and melee jacks are still there in SoT. I could have sworn they said that one of the themes was pre-CID in the ODD but now I can't find the comment.
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Post by Aegis on Sept 30, 2017 16:47:42 GMT
And so? Casters like Siege, Caine2 and others don't need Sylys. They need Squire. Also, using the only merc solo slot for Sylis (not taking things like Ragman or other powersolos) is very different from having the option to take a FF models, maybe also for free. That said, it seems to be an error in the PDF. Squire and melee jacks are still there in SoT. I could have sworn they said that one of the themes was pre-CID in the ODD but now I can't find the comment. Will confirmed that SoT includes Squire on social media seems.
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Post by spideredd on Sept 30, 2017 16:55:32 GMT
I could have sworn they said that one of the themes was pre-CID in the ODD but now I can't find the comment. Will confirmed that SoT includes Squire on social media seems. As much as I sympathise, until the document has changed, (or an infernal weighs in) Sons of the Tempest is more restricted than intended and Squire and Melee 'jacks aren't allowed. But only because Warmachine/Hordes is very much a RAW system. I am disinclined to check twitter/facebook/reddit for rules updates.
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