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Post by snotling on Mar 27, 2017 16:11:59 GMT
I always liked Lylyth1, started with her when MK3 started, and since then had a soft spot for her.
Now with Oracles I will try her some more:
The first, kinda silly idea i will try is this:
Legion Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Oracles of Annihilation
(Lylyth 1) Lylyth, Herald of Everblight [+30]
- Carnivean [19]
- Naga Nightlurker [8]
- Nephilim Bolt Thrower [11]
- Nephilim Bolt Thrower [11]
- Ravagore [19]
- Ravagore [19]
- Seraph [14]
Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1]
Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1]
Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1]
Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [0]
Blighted Nyss Sorceress & Hellion [0]
Spell Martyr [1]
The Forsaken [0]
The Forsaken [0]
The the list puts two fully boosted pow15 (blessed if needed) and two fully boosted pow14 14 inches across the field, on a parasited target. Not counting the shots from lylyth, naga, searph, carni, sorceresses. (but thos 4 shots i can do without running hot xD.)
That is 40 Damage against arm18, and 32 against arm20. So I kill a lot of jacks no problem, and arm20 jacks still die to some extra damage from lylyth herself, or the carni spray, or the seraph.
With Lylyths Feat and parasite, even the ravagores wreck a heavy that gets to close, and papa carni just destroys. And with alle the shooting and the feat, there is a lot of assasination potential.
The searph and the naga do their thing. And the nyss sorceresses are rapidly becoming some of my favourite models, and with lyl1s feat, you want sprays anways.
The Spell martyr is there to even out points, and he isn't actually that usefull (parasiting a colossal and still have lyls two shots for example, or just contesting a flag)
I dont have a Succubus right now (could change one of the sorceresses for one), but i dont really need it a lot of the time, stuff that shoots lylyth dead always has a way against stealth anyway, and upkeeping parasite is seldom possible (because the model with with parasite on it died).
Could change one bolt thrower for a protector, but that wouldn't be quite silly enough xD
what do you think?
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Post by ComboSmiteNick on Mar 27, 2017 16:53:30 GMT
Honestly. It Looks like this list would be better with Lylyth2.
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Post by snotling on Mar 27, 2017 17:15:24 GMT
Honestly. Without a word of explenation, this answer dosn't help one bit. (sry, had to xD)
What would lylyth2 do better? Clear out infantry? Hardly a concern nowadays.
The assasination gets way worse, and she doesn't crack armor as well, so im a little lost in why i would use her instead.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 17:33:14 GMT
succubus can still be useful, clouding something else and putting it in front of lylyth, especially on hellions. its a neat little trick sometimes. i hate paying 14 points for a seraph. just feels like i'm never going to get its points worth, even with the utility it brings. but the assassination with this list is pretty strong. maybe squeeze in an angel to benefit from free charges, and cut a spell martyr and shepherd for a solo. but overall i like the list
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Post by ferran on Mar 27, 2017 17:35:18 GMT
Seems good. Problem is spam of Shield Guard that exist these days....
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Post by snotling on Mar 27, 2017 17:37:16 GMT
succubus can still be useful, clouding something else and putting it in front of lylyth, especially on hellions. its a neat little trick sometimes. i hate paying 14 points for a seraph. just feels like i'm never going to get its points worth, even with the utility it brings. but the assassination with this list is pretty strong. maybe squeeze in an angel to benefit from free charges, and cut a spell martyr and shepherd for a solo. but overall i like the list Valid points for the succubus. About an Angeluis: Free charges I can get from lylyth1, so I have that base covered xD. It also leaves me at 99 Points for beasts, and at that point, I have to pretty much redo the whole list. |
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Post by Whydak mobile on Mar 27, 2017 20:55:00 GMT
Nice but 100 points in beasts with 5 fury warlock may couse some issues. And Im not sure loosing typhon and azrael is worth this 12 points from theme(2x forsaken and sucubbus, helion is nice addition but rarely worth his points in lylyth1 list.) But can work. Swap 1 helion for sucubbus, give it a try a share your thougs  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 22:05:52 GMT
yeah that makes sense. ill blame my off the cuff changes on lack of coffee. I second the motion for battle reports after you give it a go.
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Post by snotling on Mar 28, 2017 5:32:37 GMT
I will try it this weekend. We will see what happens xD. But not counting the hellion is a mistake imho. I played two with Vayl2 last week. And they were well worth their points. Dening shooting can be suprisingly usefull, especially if they sit save behind a forest. And their spray is just awesome with any kind of ratfix (on such a mobile platform). A boosted pow 12 also doesnt kill them on average, by no means hard to kill, but you opponent has to commit something. And while the dont have impressive melee stats, the are cav, so they can kill solos quite well, and outthreat most.
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Post by whydak on Mar 28, 2017 9:07:17 GMT
I also find them usefull but would you pay 12 points for 2 of them? Im just describing difference between:
1)Whooaaa, 20 free points for free!! Im will use it everytime
2)Did loosing access to some Character beasts, units and following specific army composition scheme is worth 2-3 free solos I really need and 1-2 solos who are nice addition?
With Lylyth1 im really not sure. It may work, but its something worth considering, not blind shoot.
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Post by althor on Mar 28, 2017 13:04:43 GMT
She denies shooting, but only 8 inches from her right?
I struggle using that rule, except against manikins maybe.
against what type of list (or profile) do you find it usefull please?
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Post by whydak on Mar 28, 2017 13:38:03 GMT
She denies shooting, but only 8 inches from her right? Right. You won't stop army from shootning. But you may couse some order of activation issues or limit space. Enemy probably can shoot her but let say you are ROF2, 1 shoot to kill helion and 2nd? You already moved to be outside 8" so amount of other targets in range is limited. She will die to big guns but can survive some hits. Behind building or wall she can be out of LOS or DEF 16 vs mele and 18 vs shooting, seems solid. Beside theory I didn't,so far, managed to make some "WOW" run with her but its still tool worth having. |
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Post by DanX on Mar 28, 2017 14:44:12 GMT
Best uses I've had for her have been parking her 8" from a Shadowbound colossal, standing in Abby1s blight field. It can't shake, so it can't move. And it can't shoot. It gets to kill 1 hex hunter. Guess what happens next turn?
Its easy to stop Mountain kings Assault/killshot, same with the Kracken - though its reach makes it hard to keep the lady safe. Stormlances can't assault into the bubble, if you put your sorceress near the front they can't shoot her at all. If you can park her behind a wall or building - she can be very hard to remove - Def 18 vs shooting 16 vs melee, 16 arm, 8 boxes isn't easy.
I've only ran her when I've had at least 3 flying beasts to be truthful, the free charges are great. The sprays are OK, but I often charge her at things - PS9 (boosted to hit and damage) is OK. 13" threat is good.
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Post by althor on Mar 28, 2017 14:58:41 GMT
OK, it kinds of forces the opponent to shoot her, instead of something more valuable.
I have to put more walls on the table maybe as well ^^
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Post by Cheesebeard on Mar 28, 2017 18:19:24 GMT
I have some Lylyth1 lists I really love, but they're all outside of theme. That just seems to be what she loves. However, compared to theme lists with other casters, they feel really anemic - like most Legion lists out of theme in MK3.
Playing her in theme seems the natural next step... but it feels like she loses so much tech that other casters just feel a lot better in a diverse and unpredictable meta with a lot of tough problems.
Maybe when Lylyth finally gets a character beast she will look a lot more appealing, but for right now I'll probably stick to playing her out of theme in local matches.
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