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Post by RamsesII on Mar 13, 2017 4:53:18 GMT
Hey guys, shamblers being mentioned in another thread made me think of them. I really like the look of them and the play style seems cool. However I haven't sprung for them yet as they are $75 :/ Which just seems like a lot. I know you get a lot of models out of the box though. My question is, are these guys worth playing? How do you play with them? The casters I currently have are Barnabas, Rask and Calaban.
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Mar 13, 2017 16:00:34 GMT
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Post by MessOfMinions on Mar 13, 2017 16:00:34 GMT
So Shamblers are a mixed bag, they are great for late game what with effectively turning into a heavy, but they are hard to keep alive for that long. The Bokor going down to 5 boxes sucks and the lack of a good way to hide him hurts. That being said, they are great if you are bad at keeping rask alive, and do great if you have enough troops to feed the things. Bring a mist speaker and they go to mat 6 which is cool. Combine that with backstrikes from placing them in the now super limited command bubble, and a damage buff and they can do serious work even before the Bokor can get into that heavy. Ultimately they aren't worthless by any means, but be prepared to be super careful of where you place your leader, since your opponent will be sure to kill him dead if he has anything more than a corpse at all. In conclusion they are a great late game piece and a good screen but otherwise they die to anything and are probably not your first choice for a melee unit, especially with calaban who actually hurts them as much as his spell list hurts his feat, since carnivore rfp's the models they want to collect corpses from. But they do well with rask and they might be ok with maelok.
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Mar 13, 2017 18:24:44 GMT
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Post by Gaston on Mar 13, 2017 18:24:44 GMT
Lol, my current brainstorming was with Calaban.
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Mar 13, 2017 19:07:56 GMT
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Post by MessOfMinions on Mar 13, 2017 19:07:56 GMT
It's only one downside if that's your only gameplan. It's not a complete blunder as you can still collect your own corpses but I hate antisynergy in list construction, which is why I'm not running a vault in my blindwalker themes that have posse in them.
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Post by RamsesII on Mar 14, 2017 4:33:57 GMT
Okay sorry, could you elaborate on the "what with effectively turning into a heavy". I was looking at the card and I am not seeing something I guess. Are you just talking about the combined arms attack?
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Post by Gaston on Mar 14, 2017 4:37:15 GMT
Okay sorry, could you elaborate on the "what with effectively turning into a heavy". I was looking at the card and I am not seeing something I guess. Are you just talking about the combined arms attack? With enough Shamblers to buy/boost attacks, a buffed Bokur can reasonably kill a heavy.
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Post by RamsesII on Mar 14, 2017 5:00:13 GMT
Ahh, okay now I see. I didn't think it would have been that much of a boost but I guess it is haha.
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Post by Corrupted Bauer on Mar 15, 2017 6:46:29 GMT
Rask is probably the prime example of using them. They add to his survivability and he can buff their damage output. Barney I have seem them with too since death march on them turns hilarious and makes them the ever encroaching Zerg swarm. Also for the 75$ you do get a lot of models, like more than some whole lists, so there is value in that. Do wish they'd make them plastic so they could be cheaper, but oh well, that is the life of playing minions and mercs
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Apr 7, 2017 13:24:34 GMT
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Post by gordaunikus1 on Apr 7, 2017 13:24:34 GMT
Invading from the circle forums. I have been trying to find out what happens to the shamblers when the bokor dies and can't piece it together.
The card doesn't say they are removed, but I don't see how a shambler would be upgraded to unit leader. lol especially w 4" cmd range.
Thanks in advance!
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Apr 7, 2017 13:27:15 GMT
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Post by Korianneder on Apr 7, 2017 13:27:15 GMT
One of the shamblers is indeed upgraded to unit leader. This usually results in some shamblers being out of formation.
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Apr 7, 2017 13:29:44 GMT
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Post by gordaunikus1 on Apr 7, 2017 13:29:44 GMT
Perfect thanks so much. I'm pumped to play these guys. Slowly growing my minions forces so that I'll make the switch when circle wears out for me (don't see that happening soon).
Was trying to deliver Slaughterhousers over and over and over and finally just gave up and gonna try this 11 point swap.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Apr 7, 2017 14:45:51 GMT
My issue is finding any other player that plays enough infantry for it to matter. Skrone dude is running Rasheth or Xerxis 2 with max elephants. Cygnar normally runs junior and a unit of lances. Circle runs manikins. Cryx are 90% undead. I cannot get corpse tokens from anything. I know the "no infantry meta" was sort of a joke running around but... It's really becoming the truth.
But that all aside, 11 point jamming unit can still be worth taking. I'm also trying to use them as food for beast. But I think i'm missing an rule interation. When running them with a legion Caster: Do I have to use minion models for the Chef to pass out the "stews on" or does it have to be the Legion models. I don't have the card in front of me but I swore the chef said "friendly faction" so which faction o.0?
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Post by Korianneder on Apr 7, 2017 14:54:03 GMT
My issue is finding any other player that plays enough infantry for it to matter. Skrone dude is running Rasheth or Xerxis 2 with max elephants. Cygnar normally runs junior and a unit of lances. Circle runs manikins. Cryx are 90% undead. I cannot get corpse tokens from anything. I know the "no infantry meta" was sort of a joke running around but... It's really becoming the truth. But that all aside, 11 point jamming unit can still be worth taking. I'm also trying to use them as food for beast. But I think i'm missing an rule interation. When running them with a legion Caster: Do I have to use minion models for the Chef to pass out the "stews on" or does it have to be the Legion models. I don't have the card in front of me but I swore the chef said "friendly faction" so which faction o.0? I know it's going to vary from place to place, but a lot of people are actually adding more infantry into their lists. Khador is seeing a resurgence of infantry, Menoth has High Reclaimer which uses a bunch of infantry, Retribution uses tons of infantry, Cryx obviously has Satyxis to get corpses from. It's not as far fetched as you think, but again, different areas and all that. The way chef's work is they give all models, both faction and non-faction, the rule comfort food. The comfort food rule references friendly faction. So for example in legion, a tentacle from a hellspawn inside the chef's command range gains comfort food. That tentacle can be removed from play to clean the fury off a beast, however, the chef itself cannot be removed from play because he is not a friendly faction with the legion beast. On the flip side, if the legion list contained Wrongeye and Snapjaw, Snapjaw could remove the chef from play, but not the tentacle because they're the same faction.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Apr 7, 2017 15:15:01 GMT
I know it's going to vary from place to place, but a lot of people are actually adding more infantry into their lists. Khador is seeing a resurgence of infantry, Menoth has High Reclaimer which uses a bunch of infantry, Retribution uses tons of infantry, Cryx obviously has Satyxis to get corpses from. It's not as far fetched as you think, but again, different areas and all that. The way chef's work is they give all models, both faction and non-faction, the rule comfort food. The comfort food rule references friendly faction. So for example in legion, a tentacle from a hellspawn inside the chef's command range gains comfort food. That tentacle can be removed from play to clean the fury off a beast, however, the chef itself cannot be removed from play because he is not a friendly faction with the legion beast. On the flip side, if the legion list contained Wrongeye and Snapjaw, Snapjaw could remove the chef from play, but not the tentacle because they're the same faction. So my plan to eat shamblers with Typhon doesn't work... I now somewhat regret buying shamblers. That seems unnecessarily restrictive. Also I understand the whole "my meta is different from your meta". My experience is not representative of the game as a whole. It just seems that MK3 in my meta started with balanced lists and has no shifted to beast/jack heavy. So it's sort of sad.
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Apr 7, 2017 15:19:30 GMT
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Post by Fire Step on Apr 7, 2017 15:19:30 GMT
I posted about these guys for my Rask list. I think they need help hitting, and the Mist speaker does that, as well as Rask's gun, and Barnabas' feat. Otherwise, relying on MAT5 to do sky serious work will lead to sad times.
Also, adding things into your list chiefly to boost up an 11 point unit seems a little silly to me. That's why i feel their main purpose is jam zones and deflect damage from Rask. They could almost sit directly in front of Rask either camping next to the flag or in the zone and that would be their entire game.
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