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Post by mydnight on Aug 8, 2017 23:48:28 GMT
Same problem for testing even models from the 12 factions of christmas, some of which don't have a theme currently.
Game is still in a 'flux' and PP needs to accelerate CiD and rule releases this year. Early theme release is the only way forward.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Aug 9, 2017 0:05:13 GMT
Not thrilled that the CID isn't starting until the 24th. They need to be accelerating CID, not cutting it down to a damn month between cycles.
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Post by skittles on Aug 9, 2017 1:37:27 GMT
Not thrilled that the CID isn't starting until the 24th. They need to be accelerating CID, not cutting it down to a damn month between cycles. I believe multiple Dev team staff will be at gencon next week, hence the delay.
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Post by mydnight on Aug 9, 2017 3:19:07 GMT
I suspect the next CiD will be huge...nearly all factions, most theme force changes (merc inclusion, character inclusion), and mid-cid more models may be introduced. Hence they are using this time and the GenCon disruption to make sure they don't dump nonsense like Garrity/heaps of mercs in every theme on us. Also some of the themes to be revealed in Sep will probably be revealed in the CiD. They have to then deal with the problem of 'hmmm so why bother playtesting a theme that will not change when revealed in Sep?'
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Post by regleant on Aug 9, 2017 3:27:30 GMT
Oh hey surprise look at that, another fun awesome Khador theme force announced. I'm glad they aren't trying to catch up other factions first, or anything. Ima go over here and cry with my Skorne...
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Aug 9, 2017 3:58:53 GMT
Oh hey surprise look at that, another fun awesome Khador theme force announced. I'm glad they aren't trying to catch up other factions first, or anything. Ima go over here and cry with my Skorne... It says they're dropping themes for everybody in the same month. Skorne included.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Aug 9, 2017 4:05:23 GMT
Oh hey surprise look at that, another fun awesome Khador theme force announced. I'm glad they aren't trying to catch up other factions first, or anything. Ima go over here and cry with my Skorne... It says they're dropping themes for everybody in the same month. Skorne included. Still not a great move on PP's part to lead with a theme for a faction that already has a glut of good themes. Only real way it'd be worse (from a PR standpoint) would be if the example theme was from Cryx or Cygnar. they reaaaaaally should have lead with something inoffensive (like a menoth theme) or interesting (like a mercs/minions theme, or a theme with cross-faction options.) As it is, they led with a theme that looks to be blandly strong, with a bunch of bonuses rehashed from other themes, in a faction that already has a bunch of very playable themes.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Aug 9, 2017 4:11:36 GMT
Oh hey surprise look at that, another fun awesome Khador theme force announced. Don't worry. Its done in the spirit of Skorne. Its skornergistic. Funnily enough all the buffs that greylords could apply to Doom reavers, they can't because spell ward. Its really not strong at all. Maybe some jank with occultation, but in general doom reavers are very fragile, and the ability to (Maybe if the rules allow it) have an upkeep spell on a unit will not rip the game in half. This is only a preview. Friggin RELAX.
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Aug 9, 2017 4:15:49 GMT
It says they're dropping themes for everybody in the same month. Skorne included. Still not a great move on PP's part to lead with a theme for a faction that already has a glut of good themes. Only real way it'd be worse (from a PR standpoint) would be if the example theme was from Cryx or Cygnar. they reaaaaaally should have lead with something inoffensive (like a menoth theme) or interesting (like a mercs/minions theme, or a theme with cross-faction options.) As it is, they led with a theme that looks to be blandly strong, with a bunch of bonuses rehashed from other themes, in a faction that already has a bunch of very playable themes. Oh, ffs. What does it matter what theme they spoil? They're releasing the remaining themes at the same time. Everyone gets themes. Convergence gets an infantry theme, Skorne gets themes, Mercs get themes. Jeez. The playing field is getting leveled, and everyone will have themes.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Aug 9, 2017 5:58:48 GMT
Still not a great move on PP's part to lead with a theme for a faction that already has a glut of good themes. Only real way it'd be worse (from a PR standpoint) would be if the example theme was from Cryx or Cygnar. they reaaaaaally should have lead with something inoffensive (like a menoth theme) or interesting (like a mercs/minions theme, or a theme with cross-faction options.) As it is, they led with a theme that looks to be blandly strong, with a bunch of bonuses rehashed from other themes, in a faction that already has a bunch of very playable themes. Oh, ffs. What does it matter what theme they spoil? They're releasing the remaining themes at the same time. Everyone gets themes. Convergence gets an infantry theme, Skorne gets themes, Mercs get themes. Jeez. The playing field is getting leveled, and everyone will have themes. We-ell, there is something to be said as to whether the playing field is actually getting 'levelled.' There's still something to be said for the difference in power level between Warmachine and Hordes (and their respective themes) - you don't see Circle playing in theme all that much, for instance, and it sure as hell isn't because Druids aren't in theme. It's because too many necessary tech pieces are spread across too many different themes. Having a few extra themes won't change that. Hell, there's even something to be said for the question of whether 'theme equality' means 'everything is in a theme, somewhere' or 'every faction has an equal number of themes.' If the former, WM factions will be getting more themes, just by dint of having more models released...which in turn increases the likelihood of a given WM faction getting an above-curve theme force. As to the PR, I personally don't care all that much, but it's yet another symptom of PP's tone-deaf communication style. It's friggin' elementary to understand that there are factions that are feeling left behind, and that spoiling a theme force for one of those factions first might be a better PR move than just 'more khador stuffz.' It's the 'Cygnar CID first' issue all over again. If they're actually listening to their base, and their communications department is NOT woefully incompetent (admittedly, all evidence suggests that they are) this stuff shouldn't happen.
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Post by regleant on Aug 9, 2017 7:24:46 GMT
Umm, what? Circle's Infantry theme is kinda' bad, but that's because the Infantry itself is bad. Bones is an amazing theme force, and the other one is pretty solid as well. Both are heavily played to my knowledge.
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Post by Azuresun on Aug 9, 2017 9:16:26 GMT
All I really want is for themes to be levelled out. Either cut down the top ones, or bring up the bad ones. Right now, there's a definite feel of "rich get richer, poor get poorer", when some factions get thematic ones that force choices, while others get "Your already awesome list with two new special rules and 12+ free points".
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Post by darkshroud on Aug 9, 2017 11:28:59 GMT
All I really want is for themes to be levelled out. Either cut down the top ones, or bring up the bad ones. Right now, there's a definite feel of "rich get richer, poor get poorer", when some factions get thematic ones that force choices, while others get "Your already awesome list with two new special rules and 12+ free points". so far for cryx it made units viable. when mk3 dropped it was raiders and we&sj. now we get ghost fleet, which for the first time ever(?) you see revenent on the table and now with the bane theme you see them hit the table for the first time in a year. the thrall list is still a little confusing. but itll be interesting if they can bring back bloodgorgers that were *just* seeing play at the end of mk2. but i guess im just proving your point with the rich getting richer. maybe though...cryx were in a pretty bad state when mk3 dropped. like...everyone dropped them. it was noticeable at tournaments that for the first time *ever* there were major cons without cryx. so i guess it proves they can fix stuff...
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Post by Grimolf on Aug 9, 2017 16:49:40 GMT
Themes for all! It will be a massive "live" CID for all the themes. Imagine all of the information we can gather playing these themes. Then, when it comes time for the them to go into the real CID, we'll already have lots of information and perhaps(?) the CID can move along a little faster. In any event, the next few months will likely be a little chaotic as everyone tests out all of the new themes. I wonder what it will do for upcoming tournaments (tons of themes to keep track of). We're in for some wild times!
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Post by Lord_Randall on Aug 9, 2017 17:17:51 GMT
Umm, what? Circle's Infantry theme is kinda' bad, but that's because the Infantry itself is bad. Bones is an amazing theme force, and the other one is pretty solid as well. Both are heavily played to my knowledge. Devourer's host is good, Bones is good. Wild Hunt is garbage (strong benefits,but you can't double dip with freepoints without cryppling yourself). What circle need is a theme who incentivize our amor cracking choiches and synergize whit the huge amount of warlocks locked into living-only stuffs
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