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Post by k0rhil on Jul 26, 2017 1:07:28 GMT
Reaching out to the faithful for opinions, potential unfavorable match-ups, or dirty tricks to use for my first big tournament of the new season format is champions and list are as follows.
Protectorate of Menoth - The Covenant
Theme: No Theme Selected
75 / 75 Army
Malekus, the Burning Truth - WJ: +30
- Eye of Truth - PC: 20 (Battlegroup Points Used: 20)
- Castigator - PC: 12 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10)
- Reckoner - PC: 16
Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1
Wrack - PC: 1
Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4
Flameguard Cleansers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15
- Flameguard Cleanser Officer - PC: 4
Exemplar Cinerators - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
Exemplar Cinerators - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
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GENERATED : 07/25/2017 21:09:51
BUILD ID : 2045.17-07-09
War Room Army
Protectorate of Menoth - Old Faith
Theme: No Theme Selected
75 / 75 Army
High Exemplar Kreoss - WJ: +29
- Fire of Salvation - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 16)
- Reckoner - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13)
Initiate Tristan Durant - PC: 4
- Redeemer - PC: 11
- Redeemer - PC: 11
Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1
Wrack - PC: 1
Wrack - PC: 1
Visgoth Juviah Rhoven & Honor Guard - Rhoven, Gius & Cassian: 9
Choir of Menoth - Leader & 5 Grunts: 6
Flame Bringers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 17
Temple Flameguard - Leader & 9 Grunts: 11
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GENERATED : 07/25/2017 21:11:35
BUILD ID : 2045.17-07-09
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demonic
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Post by demonic on Jul 26, 2017 1:19:12 GMT
um so exactly how do these lists take on khador jack spams? With trolls as well, a lot of your fire rolls would be nulled. Basically, alter one of your lists to give it some serious punching power. That's what I see right off the start. Oh, and the choir in your kreoss list only needs to be minimum  |
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Post by Swampmist on Jul 26, 2017 1:23:40 GMT
to be fair, champs format lacks Horgle2 and a good Khador Jack Spam caster. On the flip-side, irusk2 and z1 would love to see your lists, and kallus2's still around.
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demonic
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Post by demonic on Jul 26, 2017 1:35:12 GMT
Caine and Stryker
Strakhov has always loved fire lists
Asphyxious
Ragnor
... fire should be pretty good against the circle casters as long as you watch for assassination
if you actually see Skorne, beware Morghoul's assassination run. Hexeris channels powerful spells through his beasts. Mordikaar is a soul caster, beware void spirits under him but other than that he's a walk in the park
Lilyth if she's still as cheap as she used to be
I haven't seen many of the other factions casters enough to say if you would have issues or not. The fact that you are using sprays really helps against some though.
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Post by k0rhil on Jul 26, 2017 4:28:31 GMT
Excellent responses and really appreciate the insight thanks to a great and active local meta I have matched up with many of the casters mentioned. The exceptions being Stryker, Ragnor, Hexeris, and Morghoul. Luckily(or possibly unlucky) for me my local skorne player and I will be throwing down this week and he's bringing Hexeris. I'll make it a point to match up against our local troll player since Ragnors kit is probably the one I'm least familiar with. In regards to the response of dropping the choir to minimum I can also drop the second wrack and achieve 3 points but in regards of where to spend it I'm stumped. The fire immunity does sometimes list lock me but frankly the only time it feels uphill is if it's fire immune and armor skew. Good news is I've got a month to test out any suggestions before the tournament.
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Jul 26, 2017 13:00:38 GMT
to be fair, champs format lacks Horgle2 and a good Khador Jack Spam caster. On the flip-side, irusk2 and z1 would love to see your lists, and kallus2's still around. remind me, what's special about champions?
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Post by k0rhil on Jul 26, 2017 15:50:36 GMT
To my knowledge the only difference between champions and masters is that in champions you are only allowed to select your 2 warcasters from the 4 that are in your factions current adr roster.
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Post by Swampmist on Jul 26, 2017 17:17:51 GMT
Yup, and specialists are always available as such.
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demonic
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Post by demonic on Jul 26, 2017 17:32:09 GMT
the "active" list might change by then, if you have a whole month. I'm not sure how often it does, but they mentioned that they cycle.
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Post by Swampmist on Jul 26, 2017 20:19:47 GMT
Nope, it just changed post-L&L. Next change is january iirc.
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Post by k0rhil on Jul 26, 2017 20:46:37 GMT
My gaming group really enjoys the format. We are by no means a national meta bending group but we meet at least twice a week not counting tournaments and cons. For us the limited caster selection forces the players to fully explore their faction. At the beginning of mk3 I took this same caster pairing but had the judicator on kreoss and clearly no eye of truth with malekus and took first place but it was the first major tournament so as many of us can relate people were taking mk2 lists and shiny new things before knowing how the new edition would flesh out. Bringing the colossal back into the list and even tweaking it to fall under creators might is rather easy but the increased number of zones and los blocking terrain has played favorably for me taking more models rather than less. If your group hasn't tired champions and especially if your introducing newer players to the competitive format I suggest trying it.
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