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Post by Narvt86 on Jul 25, 2017 22:38:15 GMT
I use my new Great Bears in LOS, but i wonder if they countercharge can they use Rapid strike? i dont thick so but i want to be sure.
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wags
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Post by wags on Jul 25, 2017 22:58:25 GMT
That would be a depends. If it's an out of activation counter charge, than no as rapid strike happens during the model's combat action. If it's a counter charge because you charged something with admonition during the Bears' activation and it moved away and you counter charged it, then yes you'd get to use rapid strike.
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Post by narvt86 on Jul 25, 2017 23:08:36 GMT
ok thx
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Post by sand20go on Jul 25, 2017 23:10:56 GMT
That would be a depends. If it's an out of activation counter charge, than no as rapid strike happens during the model's combat action. If it's a counter charge because you charged something with admonition during the Bears' activation and it moved away and you counter charged it, then yes you'd get to use rapid strike. OMG - that is brilliant and MUST be done more often in LOS. Troll the troll of menoth. LOVE IT!
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Growl
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Post by Growl on Jul 26, 2017 1:48:25 GMT
Ummm, I don't think it would work against an admonition target because it would still not be the model's combat action.
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wags
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Post by wags on Jul 26, 2017 4:47:57 GMT
You're right, I wasn't clear. I meant that after the counter charge is resolved they would get to use their rapid strike later on in their combat action.
Slightly off topic, but charging something with admonition, then using counter charge, how many attacks do you get? Do you resolve the counter charge, one attack, then do your charge attack, for two attacks? Or is it just one attack? I swear I've read in the rules forums you get the charge attack and the counter charge attack, but I can't seem to find it.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 26, 2017 7:50:53 GMT
You're right, I wasn't clear. I meant that after the counter charge is resolved they would get to use their rapid strike later on in their combat action. Slightly off topic, but charging something with admonition, then using counter charge, how many attacks do you get? Do you resolve the counter charge, one attack, then do your charge attack, for two attacks? Or is it just one attack? I swear I've read in the rules forums you get the charge attack and the counter charge attack, but I can't seem to find it. I believe in MkII it went something like this: 1. You declare charge 2. You advance 3. Since you have completed your advance within melee range of the target, the charge is successful and your activation does not end 4. Opponent interrupts your activation to move away 5. You interrupt your opponent's activation to counter-charge 6. You resolve the counter-charge by advancing and making one charge attack 7. Your interrupt ends; back to your opponent 8. Opponent has nothing left to do; back to your original activation 9. Since your charge was successful you can now complete your activation by performing combat normally 10. In this case that means making a charge attack then a second, non-charge attack due to Quick Work. I don't think anything has changed in MkIII? But don't take my word for it.
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Growl
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Post by Growl on Jul 26, 2017 12:22:36 GMT
Probably because I have not ever had this situation come up, I had no idea it could go the way you described above, but I guess it makes sense.
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Post by welshhoppo on Jul 26, 2017 13:10:40 GMT
If something with countercharge charges something with admonition, you get 2 charge attacks.
Its quite funny to bait things with them. It also holds them in place if the counter charger hits like a truck.
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Post by kaos on Jul 26, 2017 14:29:50 GMT
You're right, I wasn't clear. I meant that after the counter charge is resolved they would get to use their rapid strike later on in their combat action. Slightly off topic, but charging something with admonition, then using counter charge, how many attacks do you get? Do you resolve the counter charge, one attack, then do your charge attack, for two attacks? Or is it just one attack? I swear I've read in the rules forums you get the charge attack and the counter charge attack, but I can't seem to find it. I believe in MkII it went something like this: 1. You declare charge 2. You advance 3. Since you have completed your advance within melee range of the target, the charge is successful and your activation does not end 4. Opponent interrupts your activation to move away 5. You interrupt your opponent's activation to counter-charge 6. You resolve the counter-charge by advancing and making one charge attack 7. Your interrupt ends; back to your opponent 8. Opponent has nothing left to do; back to your original activation 9. Since your charge was successful you can now complete your activation by performing combat normally 10. In this case that means making a charge attack then a second, non-charge attack due to Quick Work. I don't think anything has changed in MkIII? But don't take my word for it.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 26, 2017 14:58:07 GMT
I don't know what this means.
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kaos
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Post by kaos on Jul 26, 2017 15:08:56 GMT
That you just blew my mind.
I'm looking at countercharge in a new light.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Jul 27, 2017 12:46:40 GMT
Wow. I want my MOW theme and my double drakhuns on the table. NOW. Thank you for this thread and VERY useful intel.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 27, 2017 13:23:43 GMT
Remember it only works if they willingly trigger Admonition or whatever. And charging a model that has something like Admonition against a player who doesn't know about the interactions with counter-charge is not exactly a common occurrence.
Hey, maybe you'll get lucky and live the dream once or twice. Good luck.
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Post by Cirga on Jul 27, 2017 14:04:46 GMT
In the case of doing this with a Drakhun, or Markov in LOS, you also get to make impact attacks twice. As Soul Samurai pointed out though, you'll likely only ever get to live that dream against an inexperienced player.
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