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Post by moberg on Apr 27, 2017 20:23:23 GMT
What about the Immortals package with him? with apparition, the Immortals become very mobile, and they don't even need the feat to ignore free strikes (as long as they get some souls). They could be a decent first line, while the Nihilators come in as the second wave with feat.
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Post by skormedlover87 on Apr 27, 2017 20:56:11 GMT
I don't have War Room available just now, does M3 still have WM on his sword? Cause a 5die charge with crit decap is hilarious.
I'm also very excited to have occultation in the faction. Deliverable Swordsmen or Nihilators, super-safe Reivers, hell even make Slingers incredibly annoying.
As to the concern about him cracking armor, I think you go over the armor and flip/jam them out. Get that assassination instead.
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Post by didder on Apr 27, 2017 21:25:24 GMT
Morghoul3 lost weapon master. He now has "hidden blade" which is weapon master versus blinded targets.
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Post by drakeraids on Apr 27, 2017 22:07:38 GMT
My initial reaction is largely positive. He has a good statline and potent abilities and special rules. I'm not enthused about having to jump through hoops to get his Weapon Master ability on again, but given you have four different access points for blind within his army (Counting himself) I imagine it will not be to obnoxious. Reposition is a fantastic tool in particular, which with his natural abilities will let him play rather aggressively.
Mirage is a solid threat enhancer but it's not his major money maker. There are a few 'bad' choices for this spell, most of our infantry enjoy a two inch improvement to their threat but the nature of the spell means that you have to be predictive about where you'll best be able to use it. The best units for it I think will probably end up being our more durable options that don't need to be babysat, things like Karax and Cetrati, and Ferox. I think the -best- use for it though may end up being on our beasts. Upkeeping it on a Bronzeback for example can let you bring the hurt from a great distance. In lieu of any of those options though upkeeping it on yourself is never a bad play.
Nights Reflection is good. He has a lot of ways to get it out onto the field. Marketh is going to be an auto-include with him for that reason though, and I think a Cyclops Shaman is going to be a good choice if you can fit it into your point budget. We're seeing a lot more infantry lately, and this spell plays very nicely into those skews. His ability to consistently apply blind to two different units a turn will be his most major selling point and leveraging that will be highly important. Willbreaker's may be needed to ensure that bad dice don't ruin your day.
Occultation is the spell I've wanted in Skorne for ages. It works well on so many of our units, as several people have noted he is easily our best delivery system for both Nihilators and Swordsman and offers potent synergy with them on his feat- but the options for it are really impressive even outside them, from our beasts, to our heavy infantry. I feel like that our Single Wound Infantry are still going to be the best choice for it though. They're the ones I struggle to deliver, with a Krea behind our Heavy Infantry or our Beasts they don't need Occultation aside from against the most withering of fire, but Swordsman, Nihilators, Slingers, and Venators all have a lot to gain from this spell.
His Feat is probably the most average thing about him. It offers some great synergies with Nihilators which can potentially shift it from an Assassination feat to an Attrition play but he's unlikely to support more than one unit and they're still just MAT 7 and POW 12. I think holding onto it as a constant threat is likely the most valuable use for it until you can really dig deep into their lines.
Altogether I think he's a caster that is strong into the meta he will be releasing into, while he is competing in some places with Morghoul 2 he's different enough, namely in being superior at dealing with troops, that I think he has his own niche, and when he lands on ADR he's very likely to be in pairing for it.
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Post by psyllus on Apr 27, 2017 22:40:35 GMT
That plus Lightning Strike from an Archidon could allow him to run in, cast Night's Reflection, murder something, and then run out without much fear of retaliation. He already has Reposition 3", so that might not be necessary all the time. Looks pretty solid. My only minor gripe is the lack of Acrobatics and Parry on his Escorts.
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Post by debilitate on Apr 28, 2017 4:20:17 GMT
Ummm Arcuarii with occultation?
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Post by Cryptix on Apr 28, 2017 4:30:47 GMT
Ummm Arcuarii with occultation? ...And? It's not any better than other options.
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Post by skormedlover87 on Apr 28, 2017 5:52:09 GMT
Can you put spells on Objectives? Because stealthed objectives are situationaly hilarious.
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Post by zich on Apr 28, 2017 6:58:56 GMT
You can indeed. They're friendly faction models. Stryker1 can tell tales of this hilarity.
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Post by psyllus on Apr 28, 2017 7:55:05 GMT
Mirage... I think the -best- use for it though may end up being on our beasts. I hadn't considered that, but it's brilliant! An 8" range to heal beasts lets you cover far more than a 6" range. Can't wait to try him in our 'upkeeps start in play' theme (assuming we get one).
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Post by darque on Apr 28, 2017 12:32:43 GMT
I'm thinking Nihilators for this guy. On FEAT turn with Acrobatics, Parry and Overtake they would be unstoppable. plus he can give them stealth. yeah this guy is gonna get bought. Yea but what do you do against armor with him. :/ Even ferox won't crack very hard. That's what beasts are for.
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Post by Yravon on Apr 28, 2017 13:29:57 GMT
Dont like him. Flashingblade on reach1 still sux. His feat sux. His threat range isnt verry impressive and any anty stealth bends him over. Skorne has loads of casters that play like this. And most of them are better. Morg2 and naaresh come to mind
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Post by GrumpyBear on Apr 28, 2017 14:52:21 GMT
I like his new Blind Spell. Skorne has access to a good spellslave and Repo 3" is built in. So Morg could throw it out 10" then move 3" somewhere else. So can the Aptimus. As a Khador player, having my MoWs, Winterguard, or BE blinded every turns seems really really bad.
Also Occultated Nhilators under his feat with Acrobatics, Parry, Berserk sounds absolutely amazing.
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Post by sardonicartery on Apr 28, 2017 17:19:53 GMT
I like his new Blind Spell. Skorne has access to a good spellslave and Repo 3" is built in. So Morg could throw it out 10" then move 3" somewhere else. So can the Aptimus. As a Khador player, having my MoWs, Winterguard, or BE blinded every turns seems really really bad. Also Occultated Nhilators under his feat with Acrobatics, Parry, Berserk sounds absolutely amazing. With 1-2 upkeeps and that spell costing three, I think Marketh has to be the source of it (or take pieces for free upkeeps).
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Post by zich on Apr 28, 2017 22:36:15 GMT
I like his new Blind Spell. Skorne has access to a good spellslave and Repo 3" is built in. So Morg could throw it out 10" then move 3" somewhere else. So can the Aptimus. As a Khador player, having my MoWs, Winterguard, or BE blinded every turns seems really really bad. Also Occultated Nhilators under his feat with Acrobatics, Parry, Berserk sounds absolutely amazing. With 1-2 upkeeps and that spell costing three, I think Marketh has to be the source of it (or take pieces for free upkeeps). Like Marketh. That's a problem that should solve itself if you have a few Beast Handlers to spare.
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