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Post by leotherat on Dec 25, 2021 15:24:46 GMT
Other than smacking a unit with Ruin's mace how do you remove an enemy upkeep from one of our units? I could only think of Ruin, Eiryss 2, and Zerkova 2.
Specifically I'm thinking of running an Armored Korps list but I know that there's a very good chance of running across a caster with Rebuke. With that upkeep on my Shocktroopers they can't shield wall, assault or even, charge. Sure they're still Arm 17 with 8 boxes but that's not what I'm paying for, I'm looking for Arm 21 with 8 boxes and the option to assault an enemy as needed. I was thinking of running the list with Irusk 2 but I can't think of a way to avoid enemy upkeeps for this or any other situation (parasite, calamity, crippling grasp, etc.)
Any advice would be appriciated.
I wish there was a general tactics thread in this forum. Then we could all contribute to the community as needed.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Dec 25, 2021 16:47:20 GMT
Orin and Alexia2 have Arcane Vortex, that's an option (though you might need to kill some of your own models for souls on Alexia).
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Post by leotherat on Dec 25, 2021 17:46:33 GMT
The problem I have with them is that I already wanted to put Eiryss 1 in my list and I can't do that if I add in either of them since I'm limited to 1 merc solo by the theme.
Are there any in faction things available?
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Post by Soul Samurai on Dec 26, 2021 2:10:20 GMT
I mean, Ruin also has Arcane Vortex, so you don't actually have to hit anyone to remove the spell, you can just stop it from being cast in the first place. Getting him souls might be an issue though. I guess Zerkova 1 can hex-blast your own unit. Other than that I can't think of anything.
You might just need to give up on Eiryss; it's the nature of list building that you can't always get EVERYTHING you want in a list and need to make actual decisions.
Either that or go themeless I suppose. And yes, I know that nobody plays themeless, you don't need to explain to me why you don't want to do that, I was just including it for completeness.
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Post by leotherat on Dec 26, 2021 2:56:03 GMT
Thanks, I came to the same conclusions. I was just hoping that someone out there would come up with something that I missed.
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Post by Havock on Dec 26, 2021 5:03:09 GMT
We don't really have such tools.
Z1's Hex Blast, Ruin.
Eiryss2 doesn't really strip upkeeps anymore (if it's a crucial thing your opponent will just pay the blood price).
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Post by michael on Dec 26, 2021 14:32:22 GMT
Only 8 casters out of ~140 in the game have Rebuke. Is there a particular reason you’re afraid of that specific spell?
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Post by leotherat on Dec 26, 2021 16:17:20 GMT
It's not just rebuke. It's that a lot of enemy upkeep spells hurt my unit(s). If someone throws say parasite at my shocktroopers then they aren't what they should be. I'm just looking for a way to get rid of enemy spells on my units. I can usually work around upkeeps on enemy models but I have no way of getting rid of enemy upkeeps on my models.
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Post by michael on Dec 26, 2021 16:29:19 GMT
That's pretty much how it goes in Khador.  You can take Z1 and Hex Blast something off, but that, Valachev (who I am including only for technical completeness' sake), and the already-mentioned-above stuff is all that Khador has available. |
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Post by Havock on Dec 26, 2021 18:06:15 GMT
That's the game man. You bring your puzzle, the enemy brings his.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Dec 26, 2021 19:08:17 GMT
I didn't want to bring this up before for obvious reasons, but if we're being complete: the Koldun Lord has Crit Dispel on his axe...
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Post by Havock on Dec 31, 2021 13:02:23 GMT
Your best bet might be taking Eilish Garrity (Eilish1), he can remove annoying upkeeps and Puppet Master works nicely with, say, a Strike Tanker.
Furthermore, you could spread your investment; instead of, say, a meat wall of double shocks + UA you could take triple min + UA. Points are the same and you only sacrifice some spell efficiency for increased flexibility.
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