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Post by leansquad on Dec 1, 2021 5:00:44 GMT
Title is self explanatory. Just curious how y'all think the warlocks have shaken out after the recent changes  |
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Post by davycannonhound on Dec 2, 2021 19:09:57 GMT
S Tier - Bethayne 2, Absylonia 2, Anamag
A Tier - Vayl 1, Kryssa, Lyllyth1, Lyllyth 4, Bethayne 1, Kallus 1, Rhyas 1, Thagrosh 2
B Tier - Fyanna, Lyllyth 2, Lyllyth 3, Saeryn & Rhyas 2, Saeryn 1, Thagrosh 1, Kallus 2
C Tier - Absylonia 1, Vayl 2, Eiryss
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Post by fanbloodytastic on Dec 4, 2021 19:43:22 GMT
Caveat - I’ve mostly played Bethayne2 and a little bit of Lylyth3 since the most recent updates. The other caster rankings are just based on theory crafting.
S Tier - Bethayne 2, Absylonia 2, Anamag, Kryssa
A Tier - Lylyth 4, Bethayne 1, Kallus 1, Lylyth 3, Rhyas 1
B Tier - Thagrosh 1, Vayl 1, Fyanna, Lylyth 1, Saeryn 1, Thagrosh 2, Kallus 2, Absylonia 1
C Tier - Vayl 2, Lylyth 2, Saeryn & Rhyas 2
Some extra context for a couple where I was close to moving tiers:
Thagrosh1 - I just haven’t been happy with lists I build for him recently, maybe would get bumped up to A if I could find a list I liked
Absylonia2 - I almost bumped her down to A, but I feel like she has enough strong match ups that she ends up being really valuable in a 2 list pairing format
Vayl1 - definitely on my radar to move up, I have a list that feels like it should be quite good but I haven’t tried it yet.
C tier in general - Vayl 2’s kit doesn’t interest me and I find it hard to justify Lylyth2 right now when Lylyth4 exists. Saeryn & Rhyas 2, I’ve really wanted them to work and the lack of success might just be my failing.
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Post by chillychinaman on Dec 9, 2021 18:20:01 GMT
What happened to Fyanna and the later Lylyths? I've been out of the game for a while, but last I remembered they were relatively strong pics within our faction. Have the just not kept up with the meta as it evolved? I have a similar question about Vayl2 and the Twins. Do their kits not provide what Legion needs for the casters at the current time?
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Post by davycannonhound on Dec 17, 2021 15:42:06 GMT
What happened to Fyanna and the later Lylyths? I've been out of the game for a while, but last I remembered they were relatively strong pics within our faction. Have the just not kept up with the meta as it evolved? I have a similar question about Vayl2 and the Twins. Do their kits not provide what Legion needs for the casters at the current time? For Fyanna, her defense feat just isn't in the meta right now. Its all about armor. So anyone in our faction that can STRIP armor is gold (I meant to put lyllyth1 in A tier). In my experience its a lot easier to deal with armor through melee than through shooting, which is why most of my S and A tier casters are who they are. |
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Post by chillychinaman on Dec 17, 2021 19:56:17 GMT
What happened to Fyanna and the later Lylyths? I've been out of the game for a while, but last I remembered they were relatively strong pics within our faction. Have the just not kept up with the meta as it evolved? I have a similar question about Vayl2 and the Twins. Do their kits not provide what Legion needs for the casters at the current time? For Fyanna, her defense feat just isn't in the meta right now. Its all about armor. So anyone in our faction that can STRIP armor is gold (I meant to put lyllyth1 in A tier). In my experience its a lot easier to deal with armor through melee than through shooting, which is why most of my S and A tier casters are who they are. That explains the Lylyth situation, but by that logic since everyone is teched to break armor, which Legion never really had much of to begin with, wouldn't that in fact make Fyanna a stronger pick? Especially since she has Fury for the sweet +3 damage? |
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Post by asikari on Dec 18, 2021 2:55:06 GMT
A damage buff, especially an upkeep, affects only a single model or unit. An armor debuff benefits every model capable of attacking the recipient.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Jan 26, 2022 13:51:58 GMT
Just started looking at Abby2 again and saw a comment or two on here about her having good match ups. What are these match ups out of curiosity?
Cheers,
Dave
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Post by fanbloodytastic on Jan 30, 2022 4:04:57 GMT
I suppose that was me 😅
Just a warning, I haven’t played her much
She’s pretty good at cracking armour and playing hit and run. So I’ve always theory crafter her for against Menoth, Trolls, and Grymkin (although this match up has likely changed a lot). I think she should also play quite well against infernals.
I like that she doesn’t rely on spells much. I’ve found a lot of my other lists feel hamstrung if they can’t benefit from defensive upkeeps or offensive debuffs, but Abby2 has enough power in her feat and passive abilities to do just fine.
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