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Post by davycannonhound on Mar 11, 2021 0:32:17 GMT
So, has anyone had experience really using the MINIONS/MERCENARIES side of Oracles of Annihilation? Every warlock likes the upkeep benefit, but that only counts for turn 1. The other two benefits are geared towards "buffing" minion warrior models in your army. You can spawn incubi from them, they become blighted, and blighted models (not just the minions but legion blighted models too) cause continuous corrosion on enemy models that END their activation within 2" of them. Incubi are annoying I guess, and I'm sure there are ways to buff them. Kallus1 comes to mind. Blighted by itself doesn't really do anything, EXCEPT for when you consider the Blight Archon has Veteran Leader [Blighted], so you get an MAT/RAT buff to any minion you take. That's actually kind of neat. The corrosion effect is... good, now that virtues exist. My only concern is whether or not minions are actually SURVIVABLE enough to cash in on this benefit. Does anyone have any tips or tricks on the last benefit? Do you have a list designed to spread that corrosion around with maximum efficiency? Alternatively, do you have a list that makes incubi worth their while with minions? What I have gathered so far: - Thags1's -2 STR aura is good for anything, including minions. Possible janky Brick list somewhere in there, with enough staying power to bank on the Corrosion benefit. Fog of War of course provides concealment to anything in the aura.
- Saeryn1 & Saeryn2 both have Banishing Ward, which is an upkeep she can actually put out on minions. Not sure what minion unit, solo, or warbeast this really shines with, but its an interesting option. Saeryn1's feat helps out Incubi as well. Saeryn1 also has a few debuffs, which definitely helps minions.
- Lyllyth1 has Parasite, which is a great debuff that will help literally anything. Farrow have some good guns, particularly Brigands, so definitely an armor cracking gunline that could be made there. Incubi are always fun of course.
- Lyllyth2 has Soothing Song, which affects all friendly warbeasts, not just friendly Faction. Not sure how much value there is in there, but maybe there's some sort of janky minion warbeast list that can be made there. Not to mention minion warbeasts should be able to spread around the Corrosion benefit to a degree.
- Bethayne1's feat affects all friendly models, not just friendly Faction. There's a few offensive magic caster minions available to Minions, so this may have some worth. And you can always replace the casters you lose with Incubi.
- Lyllyth3 has Wind Wall, which can protect anything that wants to hang out with her. Again, not sure how viable it particularly is, but its definitely worth something. And, anything Lyllyth or her army can hit during her feat is a good debuff that will no doubt help any minion she brings.
- Blight Archon is the go-to minion buff, since it gives +1 to attack rolls for all Blighted models.
- Oddly enough, Anamag's ritual slaughter triggers off of friendly Ogrun, not friendly FACTION ogrun. So you could bring two Ogrun Bokurs and one of the Gundruns and trigger that off of them. Not sure how viable that is, but its technically an option.
- Bethayne2's Absorb Flesh works on all friendly warbeasts, not just friendly Faction. So if you feel like bringing some razorbacks with Rorsh, this could be a good combo. In addition, Bethayne2 has Transmutation, which affects all friendly models/units, not just friendly Faction. I can't believe I missed that.
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Post by chillychinaman on Mar 11, 2021 2:53:28 GMT
The first thing that comes to mind might be Shamblers and Incubi though I haven't read the exact details of each recursion rule recently to remember if this is actually allowed. Throw in the Spawning vessel too assuming all 3 can stack.
Then I'd say take the Archons, not only for the accuracy buff, but also, this can let you go light on their battlegroups if you can refill them mid-game. My problem with Archons is that it's hard to give them a worthwhile battlegroup while still leaving points for the rest of the list.
Likewise as you mentioned, the Virtues like having more sources of corrosion to boost their output.
For Warlock choices, the first two that come to mind are Thagrosh for Fog of War and Lylyth1 for parasite. Bethayne might also be a possibility with Disintegrate and her feat if you feel like taking caster Minions, though no particularly strong choice springs to mind.
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Post by sorokin on Mar 11, 2021 21:43:44 GMT
I wager there is something to make happen with a thags1, M&M and deathchons brick
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Mar 12, 2021 10:04:52 GMT
I've had a look at a Thags1, 2x primal archon and 1x blight archon brick, seemed pretty interesting. Death archons could work, but then you loose the ARM buff of the blight archon. Also had 2x virtue champions and 2x virtue host, plus a couple gremlin swarms (might swap to feralgeists). Battlegroup was carnivean and Typhon, blight archon took mekanoshredder and nelphilim shaman.
Cheers,
Dave
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Post by davycannonhound on Mar 22, 2021 19:46:22 GMT
Just discovered Soothing Song from Lyllyth2 affects all friendly warbeasts, not just friendly Faction. Not sure if its worth anything, but its something.
Lyllyth3's Wind Wall can also protect minions. THAT might be worth something.
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Post by marxlives on Apr 1, 2021 17:25:06 GMT
Just discovered Soothing Song from Lyllyth2 affects all friendly warbeasts, not just friendly Faction. Not sure if its worth anything, but its something. Lyllyth3's Wind Wall can also protect minions. THAT might be worth something. Ya, I think for the safety of all the other factions, this thread should be SHUT DOWN! Shut 'er down everybody, shut 'er down! |
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Post by davycannonhound on Apr 11, 2021 18:45:35 GMT
Just discovered Soothing Song from Lyllyth2 affects all friendly warbeasts, not just friendly Faction. Not sure if its worth anything, but its something. Lyllyth3's Wind Wall can also protect minions. THAT might be worth something. Ya, I think for the safety of all the other factions, this thread should be SHUT DOWN! Shut 'er down everybody, shut 'er down!  |
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Apr 11, 2021 21:26:42 GMT
Could you keep valkyries inside Wind Wall, shield guard to them, then have it auto-miss..?
Cheers,
Dave
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Post by michael on Apr 11, 2021 23:41:59 GMT
Could you keep valkyries inside Wind Wall, shield guard to them, then have it auto-miss..? Cheers, Dave Shield Guard triggers on “directly hit”, so double no. You can Shield Guard away a Damage Type Magical ranged attack that bypasses Wind Wall, but you’re on Step 6 of the Attack Timing sequence at that point, so Wind Wall’s auto miss both won’t trigger and would be irrelevant, because the damage type is Magical and bypasses Wind Wall anyway. |
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Post by davycannonhound on May 6, 2021 18:02:49 GMT
Apparently Anamag's Ritual Slaughter can trigger off of all Blighted Ogrun. So... Ogrun Bokur and Gundrun?
Also, Bethayne 2 can use Absorb flesh on all friendly warbeasts. So if a lesser warlock get shot off the board and leaves behind some minion beasts, Bethayne 2 can still get some use out of those points.
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Post by leansquad on May 8, 2021 1:18:02 GMT
I started looking into the minions side of oracles when I got a meat thresher for really cheap, but there also seems to be some magic based synergies.
- the Nephilim Bloodseer's telemetry benefits all friendly models, including minion lesser warlocks.
- All legion magical abilities are available in oracles, and puppet master on the ice witches is also not friendly faction specific
if spreading corrosion is the goal,
-Kwaak with archon and bloodseer is spraying 8 inches at effectively magic ability 10 twice, which could give the virtues boosted rolls against tough to hit targets. He could also be good alongside lesser warlocks for his buffs.
- underchief mire could technically bring a blighted dracodile who spreads corrosion with his spray and to everything within 2 inches of his huge base, which might not be practical but that sounds very funny.
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Post by leansquad on May 9, 2021 5:17:15 GMT
A follow up on my last comment, I put together a list for fun with the suggestions from this page. idk if they're worth anything.
Oracles of Annihilation Bethayne Superfriends
Bethayne2 (+28)
- Proteus 18
- Nephilim Bloodseer 8
- Harrier 3
Blight Archon 8
- teraph 10
Rorsh and Brine 15
Wrongeye and Snapjaw 17
Farrow Slaughterhousers 9
Farrow Slaughterhousers 9
Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew 2
Forsaken [0]
Virtue Champion [0]
Virtue Champion [0]
Kwaak Slickspine and Gub, Croak Sorcerers 4
Bethayne provides multiple debuffs and a rare non-faction buff, making her an optimal choice for running minions IMO. The main drawback of running her with minions is that her feat loses a lot of its defensive strength, but it still could be useful in keeping her battlegroup alive. The Harrier is basically an expendable arc node and a feat target for some damage transfers, and the bloodseer makes her offensive spells more accurate while also affecting Kwaak's mud foot and sprays, as well as wrongeye's influence. Proteus is a beefy body that provides damage, high armor for feat turn, and a great animus for an assassination run.
The next part of the list is Bethayne's friends. First, The blight archon. It hands out an accuracy bonus to nearly everyone on the list while also providing a place to stick a teraph, which is a great target for Bethayne's Dissolve. Another AOE armor debuff is perfect for proxy buffing the minion models since she can't put it on them herself, and a boostable eyeless sight gun can help take out annoying stealth solos or clear out single wound infantry for the advance. Meltdown on the blight archon also makes sure that this list doesn't auto-lose against CG. The next inclusion is Rorsh and Brine. These models provide some insane mobility, and if you're lucky enough to play against a hordes faction, Brine will rip through enemy warbeasts with Pig Pen and armor debuffs, even more so if you can cycle transmutation onto him. He is also effectively mat 7 due to being a blighted model. The last of the "friends" are Wrongeye and Snapjaw, who provide another heavy body and some ridiculously annoying defensive tech. Snapjaw can protect himself from shooting on the advance, and starcrossed helps protect some of the models that would like to have transmutation but can't. Even better if you can get a model with transmutation into wrongeye's control, as a defense 12 warbeast suddenly becomes a chore to deal with.
The slaughterhousers hit hard against armor debuffed targets (they will hit at mat 10 on the charge), and there is a number of ways to make them harder to take off the table. If the armor debuffs have been applied, then hopefully either bethayne or the teraph will have triggered finisher on whatever they are hitting. One of the major flaws with this list is that there are a lot of lynchpins, which could honestly make it completely unplayable, but hopefully the goobers could minimize the number of high priority casualties. The virtue champions will love the high volume of corrosion damage, and the forsaken is just a great model. Kwaak is a great offensive solo for his cost, and his support spells that say friendly faction are surprisingly relevant with two minion heavy warbeasts. Overall I think that the biggest problems with this list are its low model count and the large quantity of obvious targets.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on May 22, 2021 22:28:22 GMT
Death archons with Thags1 combine for a -4 STR debuff to opponents when they reach melee... No blight archon sadly, but there's potential I think. Get M&M, then Typhon and maybe a carnivean for the battlegroup and that's a very solid core.
Cheers,
Dave
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