sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Mar 2, 2020 10:53:50 GMT
So, all of the units in Flames are finally out and I find myself foundering to figure out which flavour of units i want in my flames lists with her. She pretty much supports everything equally, so I am unsure if Resolutes, Legion or PKs are the best option with her.
Does anybody here have any experiences in khador!flames they want to share?
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Post by mydnight on Mar 2, 2020 11:49:47 GMT
Given she can cloud wall somewhat, I presume it would be Legion and PKs. Resolutes typically want some sort of armor buff and don't have enough attacks to offset the fact that she can't buff damage.
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Post by auraco on Mar 2, 2020 12:07:41 GMT
VIGILANTS! Like two full unit of them, then maybe something else. I do have a soft spot for the legions of lost souls, did you know that the model you bring back with blood boon when they do their vengeance also get to attack during the vengeance? The blood boon ruling also means they RFP anything they kill, regardless of if living or dead and of if you get to bring back a model, that's not just in melee, it's also from their gun attacks, who needs Sorscha2 or Butcher3 with their silly upkeep when you can get casual RFP from Thamarite Archons and Legion of Lost souls in theme with no caster support. They also have a pretty good threat range on their own, I don't really see a reason to take the precursors with all that in mind. Something like that conflictchamber.com/?c3201b_-1J7bp59yoQoZoToKoUoUoMoMo_p2oYoYKhador [Theme] Flame in the Darkness [Zerkova 1] Koldun Kommander Aleksandra Zerkova [+28] - Gallant [17] - Lancer [10] Alexia, The Undying [0(5)] Glyn Cormier, Illuminated One [5] Grand Master Gabriel Throne [7] Morrowan Archon [8] Thamarite Advocate [0(3)] Thamarite Advocate [0(3)] Thamarite Archon [8] Thamarite Archon [8] Legion of Lost Souls (max) [18] - Morrowan Battle Priest (3) [0(6)] Order of Illumination Vigilants (max) [10] Order of Illumination Vigilants (max) [10] |
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Mar 2, 2020 13:49:30 GMT
VIGILANTS! Like two full unit of them, then maybe something else. I do have a soft spot for the legions of lost souls, did you know that the model you bring back with blood boon when they do their vengeance also get to attack during the vengeance? The blood boon ruling also means they RFP anything they kill, regardless of if living or dead and of if you get to bring back a model, that's not just in melee, it's also from their gun attacks, who needs Sorscha2 or Butcher3 with their silly upkeep when you can get casual RFP from Thamarite Archons and Legion of Lost souls in theme with no caster support. They also have a pretty good threat range on their own, I don't really see a reason to take the precursors with all that in mind. Something like that conflictchamber.com/?c3201b_-1J7bp59yoQoZoToKoUoUoMoMo_p2oYoYKhador [Theme] Flame in the Darkness [Zerkova 1] Koldun Kommander Aleksandra Zerkova [+28] - Gallant [17] - Lancer [10] Alexia, The Undying [0(5)] Glyn Cormier, Illuminated One [5] Grand Master Gabriel Throne [7] Morrowan Archon [8] Thamarite Advocate [0(3)] Thamarite Advocate [0(3)] Thamarite Archon [8] Thamarite Archon [8] Legion of Lost Souls (max) [18] - Morrowan Battle Priest (3) [0(6)] Order of Illumination Vigilants (max) [10] Order of Illumination Vigilants (max) [10] Legion look amazing both in terms of easthetics AND rules, in deed! They can even trigger blood bound on stryker2 feat attacks. It's quite silly actually. I quite like your list, have the vigilants been performing for you? I guess the cloud wall fixes the low range on their guns. Also only 3 battle priests? Has that been enough in your games? |
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Post by auraco on Mar 2, 2020 14:02:42 GMT
I've only played one game of flame so far, but yeah the vigilants are very good, I played in a mirror match against flames (was constance flame), so not the most intense gunline, the battlepriest were enough, but I'd need to try into a list with more guns, still having 5 shield guards (plus the passive necromancy dude from alexia3) and the clouds and the feat does make for a fairly good anti gunline list, in theory at least.
Depending on where I want the list to go, might switch the two advocate of thamar to some battle priests
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Post by harrysan on Mar 2, 2020 16:44:57 GMT
Am I crazy for not liking Alexia3?
Passive necromancy only works on living models, and the LoLS are undead. She still gives them the +2 strength, but it seems wasteful to only have a handful of models that proc her ability.
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Post by auraco on Mar 2, 2020 17:45:41 GMT
It's max one model per turn and the battlepriests are shield guard. I wouldn't go with double legion of losts souls because of that, but one unit means there is still plenty of living models in the list for the passive necromancy. The +2 str is a thing though, since it threat way further than the hermit or ragman.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Mar 29, 2020 17:02:01 GMT
Does the hurricane remove flying from your own archons? Seems very bad if so.
Cheers,
Dave
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Post by harrysan on Mar 29, 2020 17:36:03 GMT
Does the hurricane remove flying from your own archons? Seems very bad if so. Cheers, Dave It sure does. feelsbad.jpg I played Flames into a Hurricane, and it wound up being an issue. I had originally planned on trying the list with a Hurricane but after that game it made it apparent that it's too much of a liability. |
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Mar 29, 2020 22:01:24 GMT
Does the hurricane remove flying from your own archons? Seems very bad if so. Cheers, Dave Yes. Here hoping they fix that in one of the next dynamic updates, given that its an easy fix and cygnar stuff in on the table. |
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Mar 30, 2020 9:46:25 GMT
Thanks for the heads up folks. That does look like the hurricane is off the table for the list then and I can't see them changing the Turbulence rule since it wouldn't make much sense.
Next question: how does Vengeance and Blood-Bound interact? Does a model returned by a vengeance attack get to make a vengeance move and attack?
Sorry for all the questions! Only just got round to getting some games in with this list.
Cheers,
Dave
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Post by auraco on Mar 30, 2020 9:57:33 GMT
Yes models returned from blood bound can make vengeance attack, it’s pretty dumb but hey I’m not going to shy away from using it.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Mar 30, 2020 10:03:56 GMT
Yes models returned from blood bound can make vengeance attack, it’s pretty dumb but hey I’m not going to shy away from using it. Noice! Thanks for the quick confirmation. After all the MKII rules that randomly went against Khador I'll take this one:) If the model returned by a vengeance attack also kills something, can it bring back a model that can also make a vengeance attack? Cheers, Dave |
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Post by auraco on Mar 30, 2020 10:49:27 GMT
Yes models returned from blood bound can make vengeance attack, it’s pretty dumb but hey I’m not going to shy away from using it. Noice! Thanks for the quick confirmation. After all the MKII rules that randomly went against Khador I'll take this one:) If the model returned by a vengeance attack also kills something, can it bring back a model that can also make a vengeance attack? Cheers, Dave Yes, it's what makes this very dumb... |
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