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Post by mydnight on Nov 14, 2019 3:51:18 GMT
Crosse2 seems like an odd duck. His shtick still seems to be LR with cinerators. However I was wondering if he would be okay in FitD. First, he gets to bring a cygnar or khador colossal there, which when combined with Fire Group may be nice. In terms of units that like armour buffs, PKs, the new medium bases, as well as the Legion of Lost Souls like it. Making them shield guards is also pretty neat. Heck you could slap the armour buff on a Morrowan Archon and ram it down the opponent's lines on feat turn (ghostly+flight is sweet on a def16 arm23 model). His feat gels with nearly everything in FitD too, and access to Alexia (minor skornergy there due to soul collection), Throne and the Hermit may be superior to the choices in LR. He's probably way weaker than Fiona in such a list though
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Nov 14, 2019 9:43:18 GMT
Keep in mind that Lifebound specifies living models, so no Legion of Lost souls shinanegance.
Fundametally, I dont think Crosse2 works that well in flames for the simple reason that he doesnt have a valid LB target to get is soul train going. Sacing precursors for souls is bad value, Legion cant have it and vigilants and resolutes are too small a unit. The best you could do is field mechs with battle priests, but they dont pose a threat if the enemy choses to ignore them, unlike Halberdiers and Doggos do. Also alexia2 cant be free in Flames, but can be in soldiers, that huge.
In LR you have Devil Doggos for LB and Cinerators at ARM 23 with dauntless, in Soldiers you have recurring Halberderps and flanking Heavy Cav.
None of the synergies in Flames are strong enough to warrant giving either of these up, and you actively lose something going into that theme.
Not seeing it.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Nov 14, 2019 9:53:05 GMT
he doesnt have a valid LB target to get is soul train going. Sacing precursors for souls is bad value, You're not really sacrificing them though, just giving a unit, that already has Shield Wall, Shield Guard with the added bonus that you can get their souls. They are going to be your front line unit anyway, so might as well get something out of it.
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Post by mydnight on Nov 14, 2019 10:52:56 GMT
Keep in mind that Lifebound specifies living models, so no Legion of Lost souls shinanegance. Fundametally, I dont think Crosse2 works that well in flames for the simple reason that he doesnt have a valid LB target to get is soul train going. Sacing precursors for souls is bad value, Legion cant have it and vigilants and resolutes are too small a unit. The best you could do is field mechs with battle priests, but they dont pose a threat if the enemy choses to ignore them, unlike Halberdiers and Doggos do. Also alexia2 cant be free in Flames, but can be in soldiers, that huge. In LR you have Devil Doggos for LB and Cinerators at ARM 23 with dauntless, in Soldiers you have recurring Halberderps and flanking Heavy Cav. None of the synergies in Flames are strong enough to warrant giving either of these up, and you actively lose something going into that theme. Not seeing it. The massive unit of PK's (with the battle priests) also have vengeance in FitD. Shield guard just helps them trigger it more reliably. You can have Alexia3 for free who doesn't compete with souls and can recycle some of the unit. Why are devil dogs a valid target but not PKs? PKs are dirt cheap.
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Nov 14, 2019 15:45:20 GMT
Maybe you guys are right about PKs as lifebound targets. My gut reaction was that they might actually be too bad a dying for crosse2 to get souls reliably, but if it works for constanze, why shouldnt it work for Crosse?
Alexia doesnt really have to compete for souls though, just have her collect the souls of the unit(s) without lifebound, or from enemy models. The skornergy is minor if you have enough bodies, and creating 3 thralls a turn is better than 1 on yours and 1 on the enemies.
One serious drawback to the theme that still concerns me is the absence of reinholdt, gibbs/boomhowler however. gastone is a sad panda without reload and repo.
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Post by mydnight on Nov 14, 2019 20:44:26 GMT
Maybe you guys are right about PKs as lifebound targets. My gut reaction was that they might actually be too bad a dying for crosse2 to get souls reliably, but if it works for constanze, why shouldnt it work for Crosse? Alexia doesnt really have to compete for souls though, just have her collect the souls of the unit(s) without lifebound, or from enemy models. The skornergy is minor if you have enough bodies, and creating 3 thralls a turn is better than 1 on yours and 1 on the enemies. One serious drawback to the theme that still concerns me is the absence of reinholdt, gibbs/boomhowler however. gastone is a sad panda without reload and repo. I'm worried about the inability to negate stealth
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Post by mydnight on Nov 15, 2019 1:38:45 GMT
I was thinking something like this: conflictchamber.com/?c6201b_-1Hjvc0oQoZoToRoKoKoIoMoYp2oEoFMercenaries [Theme] Flame in the Darkness !!! This army contains pre-release entries. [Crosse 2] Lieutenant Crosse, Resistance Fighter [+29] - Stormwall [36] Alexia, The Undying [0(5)] Glyn Cormier, Illuminated One [0(5)] Grand Master Gabriel Throne [7] Hermit of Henge Hold [5] Morrowan Archon [8] Morrowan Archon [8] Ragman [4] Thamarite Archon [8] Order of Illumination Vigilants (max) [10] - Morrowan Battle Priest (3) [0(6)] Precursor Knights (max) [14] - Precursor Knight Officer & Standard [4]
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Post by psyllus on Nov 15, 2019 3:23:51 GMT
Both PK and Mechaniks are good targets for Lifebound. With PK, it makes it difficult for the opponent not to trigger Vengeance, and once the PK get stuck-in and start dying your opponent is just powering up your 'caster. Mechaniks with Lifebound sit behind your 'jacks and Shield Guard ranged attacks.
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Post by jagius021 on Nov 15, 2019 12:38:04 GMT
Thamarite archon gives Crosse a reroll and ignores stealth. Glyn ignores stealth. You have an objective in many scenarios that can give out eyeless sight. Your shooting game is probably going to be alright.
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Post by mydnight on Nov 15, 2019 23:59:58 GMT
Thamarite archon gives Crosse a reroll and ignores stealth. Glyn ignores stealth. You have an objective in many scenarios that can give out eyeless sight. Your shooting game is probably going to be alright. Yeah after constructing the list I realised FitD has heaps of true sight.
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Post by ozvelpoon on Nov 16, 2019 3:15:13 GMT
I was looking at this just last night; ended up with a bit different train of thought:
Crosse 2 - Hunter - Hunter - Hunter - Hunter Glyn Cormier Gabriel Throne Morrowan Archon Thamarite Archon Alexia3 Ragman Precursor Knight (Max) +UA + Battle Priest x3 Legion of Lost Souls (max)
Basic idea is to ram the units down the middle with All the shield guards protecting the valuable solos. Gaston and his Hunters keep the enemy jacks honest and try and line up a good shots on valuable targets like heavies and their caster. Second version of the list has a different balance of jacks with Mules and Fireflies for diversity.
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Post by mydnight on Nov 16, 2019 4:52:35 GMT
I was looking at this just last night; ended up with a bit different train of thought: Crosse 2 - Hunter - Hunter - Hunter - Hunter Glyn Cormier Gabriel Throne Morrowan Archon Thamarite Archon Alexia3 Ragman Precursor Knight (Max) +UA + Battle Priest x3 Legion of Lost Souls (max) Basic idea is to ram the units down the middle with All the shield guards protecting the valuable solos. Gaston and his Hunters keep the enemy jacks honest and try and line up a good shots on valuable targets like heavies and their caster. Second version of the list has a different balance of jacks with Mules and Fireflies for diversity. You can only bring up to 2 non-merc jacks. I was actually thinking if 2 chargers would work with him
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Post by zhoe on Nov 16, 2019 6:39:00 GMT
conflictchamber.com/?c6201b_-1Hjv8k8k8koBoRe5oKoKoIoUoUoMoMoEp2oFMercenaries [Theme] Flame in the Darknass !!! Lieutenant Allasson Jakes must have a battlegroup. !!! This army contains pre-release entries. [Crasse 2] Lieutenant Crasse, Resistance Fighter [+29] - Mariner [14] - Mariner [14] Harlan Versh, Illuminated One [4] Hermit of Henge Hold [0(5)] Lieutenant Allasson Jakes [4] - Mariner [14] Morrowan Archon [8] Morrowan Archon [8] Assman [4] Thamarite Advocate [0(3)] Thamarite Advocate [0(3)] Thamarite Archon [8] Thamarite Archon [8] Precursor Knights (max) [14] - Morrowan Battle Priest (3) [0(6)] - Precursor Knight Officer & Standard [4] do dis. 1 wound infantry is reel bad rite now
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Post by mydnight on Nov 16, 2019 11:01:19 GMT
conflictchamber.com/?c6201b_-1Hjv8k8k8koBoRe5oKoKoIoUoUoMoMoEp2oFMercenaries [Theme] Flame in the Darknass !!! Lieutenant Allasson Jakes must have a battlegroup. !!! This army contains pre-release entries. [Crasse 2] Lieutenant Crasse, Resistance Fighter [+29] - Mariner [14] - Mariner [14] Harlan Versh, Illuminated One [4] Hermit of Henge Hold [0(5)] Lieutenant Allasson Jakes [4] - Mariner [14] Morrowan Archon [8] Morrowan Archon [8] Assman [4] Thamarite Advocate [0(3)] Thamarite Advocate [0(3)] Thamarite Archon [8] Thamarite Archon [8] Precursor Knights (max) [14] - Morrowan Battle Priest (3) [0(6)] - Precursor Knight Officer & Standard [4] do dis. 1 wound infantry is reel bad rite now I love 4* archons whenever possible. What's the reasoning behind the advocates and Harlan? I'm guessing the advocates are there to heal archons and jacks given the lists' aggressive shooting. Lifebound goes of PKs. Where would you put Dauntless? I'd probably dump it on an M Archon when Crosse himself is not in danger.
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Post by jagius021 on Nov 16, 2019 17:00:35 GMT
I actually like the ideas of chargers on him, that might be real good. Gonna have to have some armor cracking elsewhere in the list but the chargers deserve some testing.
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