sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Aug 30, 2019 13:06:06 GMT
I mean half of the stuff in Flames won't release until Feburary anyway, which is why most people currently run two units of PKs without battle priests.
But yes, Khador defiently has the hardest time buying into flames because chances are you only own Zerk and Ragman.
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Post by sand20go on Aug 30, 2019 14:06:16 GMT
Sorokin - good TED talk. ;-) You didn't have the obligatory line, however. Imagine that you are facing a gun line. Do you have that fixed in your mind? your imagination can either be debilitating, reducing the chances for YOU TOO to give a TED Talk or empowering, allowing you to regal an audience with one a lap top, a wireless mike and a designer t-shirt and $500 sneakers. Oh....and be Woke ;-) In all seriousness - I actually also really like Black Bella and Savio with her was well. If you can protect them with the clouds - not prinicipally as a LOS block but as a MAT reducer they are essentially unhittable and with riptose and their nuking power they are going to create many many salt tears. www.youtube.com/watch?v=tom6_ceTu9s&feature=youtu.be
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Post by Soul Samurai on Aug 30, 2019 15:17:33 GMT
Battle Priests are 2 pt shield guard WA that can be added to any morrowan unit. This means you can reliably have 7 Shield Guards at the beginning of the game (3 on two units, the Morrowan Archon is the 7th), which is something unheard of in Khador, because we have to pay 10 points for a rager, or 5 points for Sofya in LegoS. This plus her cloud wall and her feat should reliably weather off most attempts at shooting the list down. How do 2 point shield-guards help keep infantry models safe from shooting? Are you sacrificing a 2 point model with two attacks in order to save a 1.4 point model with only one attack? Or are you relying on Tough to save the 2 point model? Or are you just using them to protect Z and your jacks?
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Post by sand20go on Aug 30, 2019 15:44:35 GMT
Battle Priests are 2 pt shield guard WA that can be added to any morrowan unit. This means you can reliably have 7 Shield Guards at the beginning of the game (3 on two units, the Morrowan Archon is the 7th), which is something unheard of in Khador, because we have to pay 10 points for a rager, or 5 points for Sofya in LegoS. This plus her cloud wall and her feat should reliably weather off most attempts at shooting the list down. How do 2 point shield-guards help keep infantry models safe from shooting? Are you sacrificing a 2 point model with two attacks in order to save a 1.4 point model with only one attack? Or are you relying on Tough to save the 2 point model? Or are you just using them to protect Z and your jacks? To be fair it probably will be less than 2 points as you can use a req. point and get 3 of them. Also I can keep them a bit back and take a shot from a grunt that is in VEG range to a shield guard who is not. But yes - in some cases you will be better off NOT taking the shot cause the BP has TWO swords compared to the one from the PK. But it can be nice. Having 7 cheap shield guards in a Z2 list will allow here to remain up the field even after the feat.
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Post by auraco on Aug 30, 2019 17:03:29 GMT
I mean half of the stuff in Flames won't release until Feburary anyway, which is why most people currently run two units of PKs without battle priests. But yes, Khador defiently has the hardest time buying into flames because chances are you only own Zerk and Ragman. It isn't actually that bad, the archons are september and october Alexia3, Throne and the vigilants are all comming out in october pretty much the only key models that will be missing the battlepriest and glyn. Legion of lost souls are similar enough to the precursor to not matter too much in list building.
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Post by auraco on Aug 30, 2019 17:07:02 GMT
Battle Priests are 2 pt shield guard WA that can be added to any morrowan unit. This means you can reliably have 7 Shield Guards at the beginning of the game (3 on two units, the Morrowan Archon is the 7th), which is something unheard of in Khador, because we have to pay 10 points for a rager, or 5 points for Sofya in LegoS. This plus her cloud wall and her feat should reliably weather off most attempts at shooting the list down. How do 2 point shield-guards help keep infantry models safe from shooting? Are you sacrificing a 2 point model with two attacks in order to save a 1.4 point model with only one attack? Or are you relying on Tough to save the 2 point model? Or are you just using them to protect Z and your jacks? It's all about the versatility of the thing. A big shot comming your archon way, shield guard it and give vengeance to your precursor unit. A small shot comming your infantry way, shield guard it with the archon and have everything live. The other guy wants to kill your shiny Gallant, shield guard a couple of shot to keep it alive and have vengeance on your unit.
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Aug 30, 2019 17:17:34 GMT
Battle Priests are 2 pt shield guard WA that can be added to any morrowan unit. This means you can reliably have 7 Shield Guards at the beginning of the game (3 on two units, the Morrowan Archon is the 7th), which is something unheard of in Khador, because we have to pay 10 points for a rager, or 5 points for Sofya in LegoS. This plus her cloud wall and her feat should reliably weather off most attempts at shooting the list down. How do 2 point shield-guards help keep infantry models safe from shooting? Are you sacrificing a 2 point model with two attacks in order to save a 1.4 point model with only one attack? Or are you relying on Tough to save the 2 point model? Or are you just using them to protect Z and your jacks? What the other guys said. But also you don't have to shield guard to save a precursor. The priest can be anywhere within 10" of the unit leader, so you can space them out and block attempts at removing other, more vulnerable parts of your list, which the enemy will be more likely to go after, because of the threat vengeance extends. You are essentially asking them: "Are you okay with shooting my units? No, you would rather shoot anything else right now? To bad, I say you shot my units and also how dare you?!"
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Post by auraco on Aug 30, 2019 17:27:44 GMT
Yeah having shield guard on a model in a 15 men strong unit with vengeance and possibly tough and rise nearly sounds too good for khador. It’s also probably why we can only run the theme with one and a half caster.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Aug 30, 2019 18:48:38 GMT
I am not happy about where this thread is going. All this talk of the true New Hotness is making my current gun line solution feel inadequate.
I’m going to just say no! (Thank you, Nancy).
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Juris
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Post by Juris on Aug 30, 2019 20:25:05 GMT
Yeah having shield guard on a model in a 15 men strong unit with vengeance and possibly tough and rise nearly sounds too good for khador. It’s also probably why we can only run the theme with one and a half caster. Wait, who's the half-caster?
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Post by auraco on Aug 30, 2019 20:45:49 GMT
Yeah having shield guard on a model in a 15 men strong unit with vengeance and possibly tough and rise nearly sounds too good for khador. It’s also probably why we can only run the theme with one and a half caster. Wait, who's the half-caster? Zerkova2 is pretty useless in Flames. She gets vengeance from the the theme tho...
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Aug 30, 2019 21:33:09 GMT
Yeah having shield guard on a model in a 15 men strong unit with vengeance and possibly tough and rise nearly sounds too good for khador. It’s also probably why we can only run the theme with one and a half caster. That and the fact that there are no other casters that are practising morrowans or thamarites fluff wise. I expected Malakov to me a Thamarite but apparently he's a-religious.
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Post by michael on Aug 30, 2019 22:21:06 GMT
Yeah having shield guard on a model in a 15 men strong unit with vengeance and possibly tough and rise nearly sounds too good for khador. It’s also probably why we can only run the theme with one and a half caster. That and the fact that there are no other casters that are practising morrowans or thamarites fluff wise. I expected Malakov to me a Thamarite but apparently he's a-religious. Apparently Malakov is a closet what-if infernalist.
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Post by The Snark Knight on Aug 31, 2019 0:24:00 GMT
That and the fact that there are no other casters that are practising morrowans or thamarites fluff wise. I expected Malakov to me a Thamarite but apparently he's a-religious. Apparently Malakov is a closet what-if infernalist. I feel like that actually makes it worse that he is not also a Thamarite.
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Post by auraco on Aug 31, 2019 2:47:02 GMT
There is not really a link between being a Thamarite and being an infernalist fluffwise. One is about being free and not believing in restrictions, the other is about trading part of yourself for power. If I still have my fluff right... I’d still like to see an other caster for Flames, but not too sure who’d fit. I could see Strakhov being a thamarite and harkevich being a morrowan, but I don’t see either of them as particularly religious.
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