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Post by charlzheimer on Jul 20, 2019 9:20:21 GMT
so far all theme force spoilers indicate that you can bring 2 of these as a requisition options.
i still think our soul collectors look cool and that they do have a place in a army.
so to bring back an old topic.
would you bring em as a free option and would you jackmarshal them a jack?
(if yes wich jack)
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Post by mydnight on Jul 20, 2019 9:57:13 GMT
Unfortunately for me 2 vassals are just much more compelling.
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on Jul 20, 2019 10:19:13 GMT
They strike me as extremely weak, both as a standalone solos or a jack marshal. I wouldn't touch them with a 10 feet stick and i say this as somebody who really enjoys the Reclaimer esthetic.
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spideredd
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Post by spideredd on Jul 20, 2019 21:19:15 GMT
They're just too unfocused.
They want to be close to the front lies to gather souls, but don't have the stats to be there and need to hold themselves back
They are 'jack marshals, but they don't have any synergy with the 'jacks.
They compete with some of our best casters (for souls) and don't do anything to help the worst.
Nothing they do can't be done better with another solo, often by accident. The Bastion Seneschal comes to mind with regards to 'jack marshals.
This just means that I just pass them over for something else, usually anything else, rather quickly, and that's a shame because I like the models and the fluff around them.
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doopsie
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Post by doopsie on Jul 21, 2019 14:32:24 GMT
No and No.
Quite simply, they cannot compete with Vassals. We already have a glut of support solos, really don't need a weak soul-gatherer that makes for a terrible jack marshal.
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on Jul 21, 2019 17:58:57 GMT
The Reclaimer is a bad model. I don't recommend it ever.
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Jul 21, 2019 20:05:30 GMT
The Reclaimer is a bad model. I don't recommend it ever. I agree, though I have enjoyed them supporting Durst, Feora1, and Reznik1. |
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on Jul 21, 2019 20:16:20 GMT
I'll amend that statement to agree with Reznik1. Future Sight is useful for him as he has limited Focus economy and missing a Brand of Heresy or a Perdition can royally stuff his game plan.
Still, I'd rather spend two extra points and grab Eilish for Puppet Master.
I am afraid I don't see much use on Feora1 or Durst, though. Neither has offensive spells that they want to stick and only Feora has a chance at getting into combat. And even then that's hard for her to do and quite chancy.
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thelat
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Post by thelat on Jul 22, 2019 0:05:35 GMT
For Durst and Feora1, I was thinking of making the kill run work, because they either win or die.
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blakeh1
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Post by blakeh1 on Jul 22, 2019 22:30:31 GMT
I would much rather have a Max choir unit option over 2 Reclaimers. It is the same number of points.
I never had the need to take 1 Reclaimer let alone 2.
However, 2 for 1 requisition point might be worth it if you just forget about them being a jack marshal and simply use them to collect souls, throw up a cloud and/or dish out Ashen Veil and/or future sight
Also, being solos, they can be used for scoring flags while collecting those souls
If I was forced to marshal them to something, it might be to a Redeemer? Otherwise, in most cases though I think you just forget they have the jack marshal rule on their card
I sure hope they are not a requisition option in the Creator's Might theme. That will surely be a joke unless they let them start with 3 souls or something
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privvy
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Post by privvy on Jul 23, 2019 17:00:27 GMT
dish out Ashen Veil and/or future sight This is exactly what I used one for, to some decent effect. A caster like Thyra, Feora1, Kreoss2, or Reznik1 with a Warder can get to a Melee defense of 18+. That lets them do a lot more work. On paper, it looks incredible, on the table, it's a decent gimmick that won't win a game, but it'll let you play a lot faster and looser with caster positioning. It really isn't that much support, considering the only theme it's currently possible is EI, where the only other support for me was a min Choir or a Hierophant. |
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on Jul 26, 2019 14:33:06 GMT
Hopefully the theme redux goes live today. I'm prepared to eat crow because I totally have a Sevy1 Guardians list planned that makes use of a jack marshalling Reclaimer. We will see if it does what I want it to--and if the points work out.
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