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Post by BarbeChenue on Apr 19, 2017 2:34:00 GMT
Hi !
I'm a new Warmachine player coming from the Magic: The Gathering and RPG milieu, mostly. I have a small WH40K collection... collecting dust and salt, and that's about it. I'm aware of strict rules concerning "proxying" in the MTG community, and I'm aware of GW's legendary legal battles.
I've never been to a PP sanctioned event... yet! My Khador is almost assembled, and there are very few missing pieces. I'm now wondering what can I or can't I bring to a sanctioned event, in terms of big "no-no's" and Copyright/counterfeit laws. I've read Steamroller's rules for miniature conversions back to back (an axe has to be an axe, the majority of the mini has to be PP mats, etc.), but I'm wondering about all the other items. Stuff like unit cards, rulebooks, faction books, etc. Also maybe tokens and rulers.
What are you "legally" obligated to either bring or leave home when you go to those events? Can you bring your photocopied Mk3 Prime? Can you print colored unit cards at a office supply shop and sleeve them? What about 3rd party items? What about having focus tokens for the wrong faction?
Now, I read somewhere unit/model cards were going to disappear. Already, there's very little incentive for me to purchase the Mk3 faction deck since most models I'm going to use have had errata for them. And with CID looming, I'm afraid the cards would only become more and more obsolete. I'm guessing the "new normal" is people printing their unit cards now?
Are the miniatures themselves the only thing that has to be Privateer Press-made? Can literally everything else be 3rd party or homemade?
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Post by WyvernX86 on Apr 19, 2017 2:43:46 GMT
Are the miniatures themselves the only thing that has to be Privateer Press-made? Can literally everything else be 3rd party or homemade? Yes. As long as the cards are the latest versions you are good to go. The rule books, latest cards, and themes can be found at: privateerpress.com/support/customers/downloads |
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Post by regleant on Apr 19, 2017 5:45:54 GMT
Are the miniatures themselves the only thing that has to be Privateer Press-made? Can literally everything else be 3rd party or homemade? Other than the miniatures, what are you trying to customize anyway? What is "everything else"? Tokens are the only thing I can think of that might apply... The rules and cards are all available online for free. You can print these out to bring your own copy if you'd like. You should review the Steamroller document which calls out the actual guidelines for customizing models. In some ways, it's looser than you might think (e.g. you could totally use a GW battle ax in place of a Warmachine battle ax), and in other ways more strict (if the model uses an 'ax', then you can only ever use another ax). |
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Post by Gamingdevil on Apr 19, 2017 7:23:40 GMT
The rules and cards are all available online for free. You can print these out to bring your own copy if you'd like. As far as I know, that's not entirely true yet. The new and errata'd models are all available, but they're still catching up with the rest. The new models are under privateerpress.com/rules for some reason and not under the downloads link above. |
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Apr 19, 2017 12:30:33 GMT
Template-wise, you can make your own, buy 3rd party, or whatever. The tolerance on the official templates is not too tight. As long as your 6" template is between 6.1 and 5.9 inches, you should be fine. Just don't try to cheat that way, because then you'd be a jerk.
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Post by Korianneder on Apr 19, 2017 12:35:08 GMT
The only thing you have to bring is the models and the cards. The models have to privateer press models for the most part, and the cards can be in war room or actual cards or printed from a pdf as long as they're up to date. You don't need to bring a rules book or a faction book, but you can if you want to. It's not like GW where you have to bring a codex to prove what your stuff can do. That's what the cards are for. Tokens and measuring tools can literally be anything as long as they're easy to read and accurate.
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Post by darque on Apr 19, 2017 13:14:47 GMT
The base for DIY models is "Can I hold it at arms length and tell with it is"
They have some rule about it having to be 50% of the original model but really the decision is up to your TO if it's legal or not.
I recommend talking to them before the event, having an unaltered model that can sub in and perhaps bringing bribes... I mean snacks...
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Post by AdeptusB on Apr 20, 2017 2:15:22 GMT
The base for DIY models is "Can I hold it at arms length and tell with it is" They have some rule about it having to be 50% of the original model but really the decision is up to your TO if it's legal or not. True, but since few other companies' models look like specific PP unit types, it's unlikely that a TO will allow much in the way of other-company proxies. About the only exception I can think of is GW Wood Elves (with claymores added) to proxy Nyss Hunters (a much hated model in its' official form). I can't imagine a TO allowing GW Orks for Trollkin, or Terminators as Man-O-Wars (which seems to be the kind of proxy the OP is asking about). |
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Post by Cyel on Apr 20, 2017 5:34:58 GMT
True, but since few other companies' models look like specific PP unit types, it's unlikely that a TO will allow much in the way of other-company proxies. About the only exception I can think of is GW Wood Elves (with claymores added) to proxy Nyss Hunters (a much hated model in its' official form). In my opinion there's a wealth of alternative models for WM&H out there! Actually my ,currently quite big, Protectorate collection has a huge part of it in alternative models converted to be WYSIWYG in theme and equipment and there's more coming (Empire War Altar as a Battle Engine, scratch-built chariot for Reznik 2...). privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?214894-Protectorate-(many-alternative-models)I've never had any problem with anyone not recognizing (or a TO disallowing) Sisters of Sigmar as Daughters, Sisters of Sigmar on Marauder horses as Flamebringers, Chronopia spearElves as Temple Flameguard, Chronopia shield-templar-thingies as Errants, Mordheim Bertha as Nicia, my cardboard Wracks, my fat lady Hierophant and many others. |
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Post by pangurban on Apr 20, 2017 5:51:11 GMT
True, but since few other companies' models look like specific PP unit types, it's unlikely that a TO will allow much in the way of other-company proxies. About the only exception I can think of is GW Wood Elves (with claymores added) to proxy Nyss Hunters (a much hated model in its' official form). In my opinion there's a wealth of alternative models for WM&H out there! Actually my ,currently quite big, Protectorate collection has a huge part of it in alternative models converted to be WYSIWYG in theme and equipment and there's more coming (Empire War Altar as a Battle Engine, scratch-built chariot for Reznik 2...). privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?214894-Protectorate-(many-alternative-models)I've never had any problem with anyone not recognizing (or a TO disallowing) Sisters of Sigmar as Daughters, Sisters of Sigmar on Marauder horses as Flamebringers, Chronopia spearElves as Temple Flameguard, Chronopia shield-templar-thingies as Errants, Mordheim Bertha as Nicia, my cardboard Wracks, my fat lady Hierophant and many others. Context helps. I might not recognize them if you show them to me as individual models and don't tell me anything, but if you tell me you're playing Protectorate they're likely obvious. If there are specific clues added to the models, like menofixes for instance, that can be a giveaway too obviously. |
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Post by regleant on Apr 20, 2017 7:19:38 GMT
True, but since few other companies' models look like specific PP unit types, it's unlikely that a TO will allow much in the way of other-company proxies. About the only exception I can think of is GW Wood Elves (with claymores added) to proxy Nyss Hunters (a much hated model in its' official form). In my opinion there's a wealth of alternative models for WM&H out there! Actually my ,currently quite big, Protectorate collection has a huge part of it in alternative models converted to be WYSIWYG in theme and equipment and there's more coming (Empire War Altar as a Battle Engine, scratch-built chariot for Reznik 2...). privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?214894-Protectorate-(many-alternative-models)I've never had any problem with anyone not recognizing (or a TO disallowing) Sisters of Sigmar as Daughters, Sisters of Sigmar on Marauder horses as Flamebringers, Chronopia spearElves as Temple Flameguard, Chronopia shield-templar-thingies as Errants, Mordheim Bertha as Nicia, my cardboard Wracks, my fat lady Hierophant and many others. But this would definitely not be allowed per Steamroller, which means you could not play at Convention-style tournaments. Local tournaments where people know you? I could see that. But I can't even keep track of my own proxies half the time, I don't want to keep track of my opponent's.... |
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Post by BarbeChenue on Apr 21, 2017 8:58:55 GMT
Thanks for your replies everyone! Everything is clearer now!
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