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Post by methios on Mar 10, 2019 12:36:46 GMT
Hola,
Im trying to make a pairing for an upcomming tournament. Im probably playing tharg 1 cotd as list 1 or a kallus2 pt list as main. But im struggeling to find a list to pair them with. I think CG is a problem and perhaps shooting heavy ret/cygnar. Im realy expeting there to be CG.
What do you guys drop into CG (i dont wanna play kallus1)? Im a big fan of lyl3 but not as anti shooting list cause i feel like the "completely within 3inch" bit on windwall makes it so that you just cant protect enough of your army to not get shot of the board. And i find her feat a lil awkard as you have to hit stuff to stationary it, stationary on a warbeast (who you can hit anyway) is kinda meh since it will be shaken. And troops i either have trouble hitting to stationary it in the first place. and if i hit it i kill it anyway, if you catch my drift. So i only realy like it as an assasination tool.
Any tips regaring CG drops / anti shootin tech? thanks in advance. |
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Post by onijet01 on Mar 10, 2019 13:08:56 GMT
conflictchamber.com/?ca201b_-0taAkHkHcObfkMkMaObubbbbcocob9b9Legion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Oracles of Annihilation [Lylyth 1] Lylyth, Herald of Everblight [+30] - Carnivean [18] - Carnivean [18] - Nephilim Bloodseer [8] - Nephilim Bolt Thrower [11] - Ravagore [16] - Ravagore [16] - Seraph [14] - Succubus [0(4)] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] The Forsaken [0(4)] The Forsaken [0(4)] The core idea to this list is to utilize a Parasite Fueled gun-line. I wanted to build into the list fury control redundancy. Allowing the owner a chance to maximize their range game output before committing to melee. At rng 14 the Ravagore are a key spot removal gun. The Carnivian are intended as a unit control models as their sprays are always good. With the Seraph and Nephlilim Bloodseer you have up to 3 uses of Slipstream. This allows you to yo-yo your Ravagores, Carnivians, and/or Warlock to optimize your range game. Above I made note of fury Redundancy this is in part due to Lylyth 1's Ammo type Inflict Pain, The Forsaken, and the Blighted Nyss Shepherds. as Lylyth 1 has a Fury 5 you really need to take care about running to hot and frenzy a beast. Vs high Def however you have a single turn of Hyper accurate attack rolls. As her feat grants an additional die to ALL attack rolls. All your guns in this list have Eyeless sight. That means that they ignore Cloud Effects, Stealth, Concealment, and can not suffer the Blind effect. the only downside is that Most your guns are damage type fire. If you hold Lylyth 1's feat until you engage into melee you will also gain an attrition advantage. but be ware I do not have units in the list to some scenario games you will start behind the clock for scoring. Do not get discouraged as the list can battle through and win. Even starting a few scenario points behind.
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Post by fanbloodytastic on Mar 10, 2019 15:08:41 GMT
If he is specifically looking for a drop against Crucible Guard I think that Lylyth 1 list would have trouble. Just too much fire immunity. Maybe a similar build focused around raptors instead?
I don’t have much for games in against Crucible Guard yet but I think most melee oriented primal terrors or beast heavy lists should have some success. So Thagrosh 2, Absylonia 2, Fyanna, or Anamag to name a couple of options.
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Post by onijet01 on Mar 10, 2019 16:09:16 GMT
If he is specifically looking for a drop against Crucible Guard I think that Lylyth 1 list would have trouble. Just too much fire immunity. Maybe a similar build focused around raptors instead? I don’t have much for games in against Crucible Guard yet but I think most melee oriented primal terrors or beast heavy lists should have some success. So Thagrosh 2, Absylonia 2, Fyanna, or Anamag to name a couple of options. Bingo! with the OP posting of a Kallus 2 or Thagrosh 1 Primal Terror list. There should be minimal Problems into Crucible Guard as a whole. However the larger weakness to the list of Primal Terrors lies withing Cruceble Guard, Cygnar, Circle Oroboros, Trollbloods and Khador. That lies within the Line of Sight negation builds that exist. Due to Primal Terrors overwhelming reliance on the Blight Bringer and the Blighted Ogrun models it supports. The Weakness is even more noticeable If clouds are applied or your opponent can Manipulate your LOS. To this regard I purposed a list that can Damage Most of the Cruceble Guard Warjacks are Alchemicly Treated so the +3 damage from Parasite, will go along way to removing most of their models. More over CG has two Fairly common List builds for each of its theme forces. Prima Materia is a Dedicated Debuffing Gunline with Heavy Jack Support. To that end you will most Likely see two variants of the list to take Full advantage of the +2" Deployment zone. Aurum Adeptus Syvestro Battle group will be on first turn SPD +2 due to his Super Fuel. He will have two dragon breath rockets, Railess Interceptor, and Prospero as a Garentee. He will likely leverage shooting for a ranged alpha with melee Toro/ Supressor backups. Alternatively you will also see Aurum Lucanum Athanor Locke in the theme Running less support but far larger battle groups. Given that all her battlergroup can Carve out what they want to strike. The list seeks to leverage that on all of its melee attacks. Road to War and Jackhammer giver her jacks unprecedented threat ranged over Syvestro but lack the In you face attitude and is harder to predict movement. Alternatively in Magnus Opus you will likely see Aurum Adeptus Syvestro utilizing Rocketmen backed up by Arc Nodes and Combat Alchemists. As your primary scoring elements. With strong battlegroup/support. the other common Option is held in Aurum Legate Lukas Di Morray. This model tends to lean more towards the medium based infantry as they help to keep the Juicer alive. Tending to hold off on his assassination play until turn 3 or 4 when the Juice tokens can be optimized the list is harder hitting in melee with High Armor Multi wound models to enter the ranged game into. With the two above posts I stated as a generalized strategy. This does not mean that your meta may not play differently but those are more commonly played strategies as a whole. So with that I went and recommended the Lylyth 1 list. As it is Great into DEF16+ (boosting 4 d 6 if needed) and has enough raw damage to break fire immune armors |
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Post by fanbloodytastic on Mar 10, 2019 17:56:05 GMT
Interesting! Thanks for the in-depth breakdown.
It’s maybe a little tangential from the OP’s original question but have you had trouble with scenario using your Lylyth 1 list? Or does it still get up the board well enough to contest as needed?
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Post by onijet01 on Mar 10, 2019 19:07:15 GMT
Interesting! Thanks for the in-depth breakdown. It’s maybe a little tangential from the OP’s original question but have you had trouble with scenario using your Lylyth 1 list? Or does it still get up the board well enough to contest as needed? It has a habit of keeping my opponents honest. See with the Ravagores especially it has a potent walking threat range of 21 inches paired with Lylyth's personal threat of 23 Inches to parasite. When you want to close the gap and charge you have access to 11 inch melee threats non liner and a 20inch non liner threat with the Carnivean. This allows you to throw wrenches into your opponent. Due to the fact that you have so many avenues of attack between walking and charging there is no place in scenario that your opponent can you you can not get to at the bottom of turn 3. I also plan at the end of turn to to be contesting and scoring what i can by toeing zones. I will often give up a turn on scenario in order to take out my priority targets. Sie ge Animantarax, Supreme Guarduians, Colossal/Gargantuan, And the Dawnguard Trident. When you do that your opponent begins to sweat and look for ways to optimize scenario. Note: I am a Cygnar Player by choice and my List Pairing is Haley 1 "Sons of the Temple" and Jakes 2 "Storm Division". I have always liked and adored "Deceptive" Game play. Getting into your opponents mind set. My other Legion Pairing is still under research but I am happy i can play Lylyth 1 in a way that she harasses all scenario. Expect to lose first few games with this list as you learn it. It takes a lot of time to master but once you do the game is scene on a different level. p.s. Keep forsaken as super solos and Blight bombs for anyone who want to camp a stack like Gorshade 4, Makeda 3, and Sevy 0. its priceless when they go off. |
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Post by methios on Mar 13, 2019 12:00:24 GMT
I think beastbricks will get absolutley torn appart by CG. Our beasts are to squishy on the stat line. Abso2 is the only beastbricky i think might stand a chance cause of her insane threat ranges.
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Post by onijet01 on Apr 1, 2019 11:25:53 GMT
Methios what list are you leaning towards?
To me it seems you are afraid of the Crucible Guard gunline far more than you should be.
I know this is not entirely accurate in mkiii but.
Battle Group Heavy lists tend to fair better into hun line lists as a whole.
Gun Line lists tend to be superior to melee spam list.
Melee lists tend to be better into battle group heavy lists.
Armor lists tend to ignore this rule but more as they grant the reverse.
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Post by leewings on Apr 7, 2019 7:09:55 GMT
A penetrating analysis!
I'm looking for lists that counter gun lines and see this Lylyth1 fortunately
I like battlegroup,
Can I ask you how to remove a priority target that be protected by Arcane Vortex and/or Arm+ Spell?
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Post by overmind on Apr 8, 2019 1:13:37 GMT
A penetrating analysis! I'm looking for lists that counter gun lines and see this Lylyth1 fortunately I like battlegroup, Can I ask you how to remove a priority target that be protected by Arcane Vortex and/or Arm+ Spell? The wraithbone animus can do a lot of work depending on the target. |
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Post by leewings on Apr 8, 2019 10:40:12 GMT
A penetrating analysis! I'm looking for lists that counter gun lines and see this Lylyth1 fortunately I like battlegroup, Can I ask you how to remove a priority target that be protected by Arcane Vortex and/or Arm+ Spell? The wraithbone animus can do a lot of work depending on the target. But this Lylyth1 have no Naga and Fury 5 isn't enough for wraithbane |
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Post by overmind on Apr 8, 2019 15:57:06 GMT
The wraithbone animus can do a lot of work depending on the target. But this Lylyth1 have no Naga and Fury 5 isn't enough for wraithbane I mean she does, but it's hard if you need to snipe and put out parasite. The Naga can hand it out if she needs to be spending stuff(which admittedly she usually does) or if you've got one the Bloodseer. Naga isn't in that list though so I'm guessing just rely on parasite + Carinivean? Just noticed no Naga which feels odd to me, but maybe I'm to used to crutching on it. |
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