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Post by josephkerr on Dec 14, 2018 21:32:06 GMT
I think its the play test data often saying hes either half baked or the least fun caster in Ret. The last few days have had a ton of bat reps, mostly of Garryth2, and many players who used the wk1 rules edited their posts to talk about what the wk2 chages do to their bat reps. Also, a lot of bat reps asked what his niche in Ret was, and Mortality certainly creates a niche.
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Post by sand20go on Dec 14, 2018 23:27:19 GMT
I think its the play test data often saying hes either half baked or the least fun caster in Ret. The last few days have had a ton of bat reps, mostly of Garryth2, and many players who used the wk1 rules edited their posts to talk about what the wk2 chages do to their bat reps. Also, a lot of bat reps asked what his niche in Ret was, and Mortality certainly creates a niche. I am, I would say, pretty darn worried about G2 and adequately testing him.
What am I missing. On feat turn you get a 16 inch bubble. Someone should test (unless I am missing something about retribution) the "skew" strategy would be to Moros and a ton of Gorgons and win on scenario with a time walk. Wouldn't that work?
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Post by hocestbellum on Dec 14, 2018 23:55:42 GMT
I think its the play test data often saying hes either half baked or the least fun caster in Ret. The last few days have had a ton of bat reps, mostly of Garryth2, and many players who used the wk1 rules edited their posts to talk about what the wk2 chages do to their bat reps. Also, a lot of bat reps asked what his niche in Ret was, and Mortality certainly creates a niche. I am, I would say, pretty darn worried about G2 and adequately testing him.
What am I missing. On feat turn you get a 16 inch bubble. Someone should test (unless I am missing something about retribution) the "skew" strategy would be to Moros and a ton of Gorgons and win on scenario with a time walk. Wouldn't that work?
That's not a strategy, it's a gimmick. How on earth is being subjected to a RAT 5 RNG8 spray a Time Walk? Even with the -2 SPD it doesn't trigger until after the move is complete, so it doesn't stop you charging them. Or shooting them. Gorgons are incredibly fragile; they fall apart if you say mean things about them, let alone actually attack them. I'm sure there's excellent ways to use Zero Hour, but I'm not seeing this Gorgon thing.
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Post by sand20go on Dec 15, 2018 0:04:56 GMT
I am, I would say, pretty darn worried about G2 and adequately testing him.
What am I missing. On feat turn you get a 16 inch bubble. Someone should test (unless I am missing something about retribution) the "skew" strategy would be to Moros and a ton of Gorgons and win on scenario with a time walk. Wouldn't that work?
That's not a strategy, it's a gimmick. How on earth is being subjected to a RAT 5 RNG8 spray a Time Walk? Even with the -2 SPD it doesn't trigger until after the move is complete, so it doesn't stop you charging them. Or shooting them. Gorgons are incredibly fragile; they fall apart if you say mean things about them, let alone actually attack them. I'm sure there's excellent ways to use Zero Hour, but I'm not seeing this Gorgon thing. Wouldn't you move the SP 6 Gorgon into range and spray (boosting with your powerup focus). Now, for example, an unaided Juggernaught can NOT reach the Gorgon (4-2+3+1=6). You then pop feat. Next turn if the Jugger moves you shoot it again. So now AGAIN -2 speed. Lets add in some Harpies that are pushing you back multiple d3s.
Control casters that race to 5 _ARE_ fundamentally premised on "Gimmicks".
I think we will continue to see the builds that are assassination and attrition based. Being able to shoot out of turn feels "strong" - especially with things that have disruption, movement, or speed debuffs.
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Post by mcdermott on Dec 15, 2018 0:06:22 GMT
The gorgon thing requires an INITIAL gorgon turn so their movement is already reduced then KEPT reduced via feat turn. meh, i think the push from harpies or whichever is probably better.
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Post by sand20go on Dec 15, 2018 0:11:41 GMT
The gorgon thing requires an INITIAL gorgon turn so their movement is already reduced then KEPT reduced via feat turn. meh, i think the push from harpies or whichever is probably better. Probably - why my IP was Harpies and Gorgans and Moros. But it is what I would test. What CID desperately needs is off the wall tests which sideways thinking so you don't find things broken. I am not sure, for example, that we have spent NEARLY enough time thinking about the changes to WoW not to be sure there are not holes. Anyway, off to go do some building. I am playing 4 units of Man of Wars with Lord Goat tomorrow. Titled the list "Moar boxes" and I can't WAIT to see how it performs as a VERY simple and uncomplicated wall of meat that gets up the board with surprising speed and has Demos behind Shocks to deliver some fury fueld fun.
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