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Post by Big Fat Troll on Dec 16, 2018 1:40:11 GMT
Keyforge is gonna be a flash in the pan. Big for maybe a year or two then tank Yeah, pretty much... The novelty will wear off and/or FFG will get distracted by a laser pointer.
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Post by marxlives on Dec 17, 2018 16:41:02 GMT
It takes a lot of residual capital to move the lock, stock, and pair of steaming barrels to a distant location. To say nothing of moving all the equipment that you can't spare (i.e. molds, computers with unreleased information, etc), the cost of moving the people who you need to move and hiring people to replace the ones who won't is considerable. I worked for FedEx Office for a while and considered moving to the headquarters area a couple of times (especially when I was facing lay off if I didn't move to Dallas or Las Vegas). As big as they are, one would have to be getting a position the equivalent of a District Manager or better before they would pay for moving you, and my job wasn't. That was a company that had significant resources at hand, with a parent company with even more. Compared to them, Privateer Press is quite small. While moving one town over might be possible, moving to another state would be quite expensive. Though, I wouldn't blame them for wanting to move to Texas at all (at least until all the CA and WA transplants vote in all the measures which caused them to leave CA and WA in the first place, they're already destroying my home state of AZ). "God we are so glad to be away from those high taxes, property values, and unsustainable social policies." "So what is the first order of business". "We should really gentrify this neighborhood, raise taxes, and build some state funded crack dens so we don't have to deal with deplorables".
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Post by marxlives on Dec 17, 2018 16:43:41 GMT
I would argue that Arizona was destroyed long before it was a state. Nah, we just never had much of what California, New York, and DC valued to begin with (except international trespassers, we have always had a lot of those). We've been building up, but since California started stabbing itself to death we're getting a lot of the people who can't flee to Texas. Unfortunately, they wonder why we don't have California-style laws in place, even though that's one of the reasons they move here . But enough about local politics . I am from TX man so it is ALL very far away from me.
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Post by marxlives on Dec 17, 2018 16:47:32 GMT
Yeah - I seriously doubt Washington's business climate is a critical factor. While there are definately labor costs involved with a company like PP it wouldn't seem to be the key issue. Again, what I understand is that Wilson is in California. I think they are in a hard spot - a mature company with a mature product. Yes, it is Number 2 and 3. But that probably is a pretty small gross. They REALLY need a home run. And not to derail the threat further but I wonder (speaking of hits) how KeyForge has done cause in the end cardboard crack is simply ridiculously higher margin than minature games. (sadly looks over at his High Command set and wonders about what could have been ;-) I feel you on that one. I think the biggest problem with High Command is once the expansions were getting released the game was very balanced and reasonably priced. In a weird way that damaged it's profitability. You got to throw balance all over the place to drive consistent sales.
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Post by granor on Dec 17, 2018 18:06:04 GMT
Yeah - I seriously doubt Washington's business climate is a critical factor. While there are definately labor costs involved with a company like PP it wouldn't seem to be the key issue. Again, what I understand is that Wilson is in California. I think they are in a hard spot - a mature company with a mature product. Yes, it is Number 2 and 3. But that probably is a pretty small gross. They REALLY need a home run. And not to derail the threat further but I wonder (speaking of hits) how KeyForge has done cause in the end cardboard crack is simply ridiculously higher margin than minature games. (sadly looks over at his High Command set and wonders about what could have been ;-) I feel you on that one. I think the biggest problem with High Command is once the expansions were getting released the game was very balanced and reasonably priced. In a weird way that damaged it's profitability. You got to throw balance all over the place to drive consistent sales. Most of my meta tried it before the expansions hated the feel and balance of the game and bailed long before anything else came out for it.
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Post by anderfreak on Dec 17, 2018 18:10:47 GMT
"God we are so glad to be away from those high taxes, property values, and unsustainable social policies." "So what is the first order of business". "We should really gentrify this neighborhood, raise taxes, and build some state funded crack dens so we don't have to deal with deplorables". Said no one ever. You should really not believe everything the alarmist right wing radio show host that yells at you says. He's trying to sell you penis pills and you're more likely to buy if he makes you angry or afraid right before the commercial break. Washington has all these great jobs because we have extremely conservative corporate tax policies. Both Oregon and California have very conservative, business friendly agricultural policies. Companies threaten to move but never do because they might be able to reduce labor costs elsewhere but that comes with the significant one time cost of moving their entire enterprise, no gain in tax benefits, and typically comes with a decrease in the quality of their products due to the locals having lower education than their west coast equivalents (looking at you Boeing South Carolina). The key to the west coast's success is conservative business policies mixed with liberal personal taxes and social policies that keep our schools funded making our local population much more desirable despite the slightly higher labor costs. Not a personal attack, just statistics. Most transplants aren't moving away because they didn't like the state, they much more likely moved away because they're extremely desirable to your local corporations and were offered an opportunity that very few locals fit the bill for. It's easy being a big fish in a small pond. If you're noticing an uptick in liberal voters in your area, it is statistically unlikely that the handful of transplants could sway your local elections in any meaningful way by themselves. More likely is that as liberal social ideas spread you're seeing your own local women and young people be persuaded to vote for liberal social policies and personal taxes because they've seen the opportunities those policies create in comparison to the conservative trifecta of conservative business, social and personal policies that most red states seem to insist on. It's considerably more complicated than "blue bad, red good". A healthy state will adopt successful policies, red or blue. I think this thread may have run its course about 3 pages back.
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Post by Charistoph on Dec 17, 2018 19:47:39 GMT
If you're noticing an uptick in liberal voters in your area, it is statistically unlikely that the handful of transplants could sway your local elections in any meaningful way by themselves. More likely is that as liberal social ideas spread you're seeing your own local women and young people be persuaded to vote for liberal social policies and personal taxes because they've seen the opportunities those policies create in comparison to the conservative trifecta of conservative business, social and personal policies that most red states seem to insist on. Born, raised, and current resident of Arizona. I am somewhat of a rarity in that for the Phoenix and Tucson metropolis'. We have had numerous housing booms from the mid-90s with some villages becoming cities within a decade as a result. People could sell their coastal house while still owing 2/3 on them (slight hyperbole) and own their larger AZ house outright. So, it's not "a handful of transplants", it is entire neighborhoods being populated by transplants.
Being a transplant isn't bad, but when you bring political concepts which helped bring about the reasons you left the state in the first place and try to put them in to force to your new location, it is rather counter-productive. And yes, we have had quite a few referendums and bills that matched the language of some California laws almost exactly being introduced in the last couple of decades, so it is not like I am talking out of an AM channel on this, but from personal experience.
But still, that's local politics .
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Post by anderfreak on Dec 17, 2018 20:15:14 GMT
If you're noticing an uptick in liberal voters in your area, it is statistically unlikely that the handful of transplants could sway your local elections in any meaningful way by themselves. More likely is that as liberal social ideas spread you're seeing your own local women and young people be persuaded to vote for liberal social policies and personal taxes because they've seen the opportunities those policies create in comparison to the conservative trifecta of conservative business, social and personal policies that most red states seem to insist on. Born, raised, and current resident of Arizona. I am somewhat of a rarity in that for the Phoenix and Tucson metropolis'. We have had numerous housing booms from the mid-90s with some villages becoming cities within a decade as a result. People could sell their coastal house while still owing 2/3 on them (slight hyperbole) and own their larger AZ house outright. So, it's not "a handful of transplants", it is entire neighborhoods being populated by transplants.
Being a transplant isn't bad, but when you bring political concepts which helped bring about the reasons you left the state in the first place and try to put them in to force to your new location, it is rather counter-productive. And yes, we have had quite a few referendums and bills that matched the language of some California laws almost exactly being introduced in the last couple of decades, so it is not like I am talking out of an AM channel on this, but from personal experience.
But still, that's local politics . Without knowing which laws you're referring to I can't comment on whether those contributed to the conditions that made them leave. I can speak to the few people I've talked to that have left and it's almost always the same story, "I don't want to leave, but they're going to pay me three times what the locals make and their personal taxes are non existent." Then they end up spending a Firetruck ton sending their kids to private schools because the local public schools are awful. So they vote in accordance with their desire to make their community better. Again, that's anecdotal, but I promise you it's not that the coast is hemorrhaging pissed off locals who didn't want to be here, quite the opposite in fact, people move here in much higher numbers than leave. It's that the coast has a huge, well educated population and a lot of companies around the country will pay an extremely inflated wage to entice us. I agree, this talk of local politics is unappealing to say the least. I'm just proud of my home like you are of yours, so I feel the need to defend our position just the same.
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Post by sand20go on Dec 18, 2018 20:54:09 GMT
Born, raised, and current resident of Arizona. I am somewhat of a rarity in that for the Phoenix and Tucson metropolis'. We have had numerous housing booms from the mid-90s with some villages becoming cities within a decade as a result. People could sell their coastal house while still owing 2/3 on them (slight hyperbole) and own their larger AZ house outright. So, it's not "a handful of transplants", it is entire neighborhoods being populated by transplants.
Being a transplant isn't bad, but when you bring political concepts which helped bring about the reasons you left the state in the first place and try to put them in to force to your new location, it is rather counter-productive. And yes, we have had quite a few referendums and bills that matched the language of some California laws almost exactly being introduced in the last couple of decades, so it is not like I am talking out of an AM channel on this, but from personal experience.
But still, that's local politics . Without knowing which laws you're referring to I can't comment on whether those contributed to the conditions that made them leave. I can speak to the few people I've talked to that have left and it's almost always the same story, "I don't want to leave, but they're going to pay me three times what the locals make and their personal taxes are non existent." Then they end up spending a Firetruck ton sending their kids to private schools because the local public schools are awful. So they vote in accordance with their desire to make their community better. Again, that's anecdotal, but I promise you it's not that the coast is hemorrhaging pissed off locals who didn't want to be here, quite the opposite in fact, people move here in much higher numbers than leave. It's that the coast has a huge, well educated population and a lot of companies around the country will pay an extremely inflated wage to entice us. I agree, this talk of local politics is unappealing to say the least. I'm just proud of my home like you are of yours, so I feel the need to defend our position just the same. Actually......
And I can not speak to Washington or Oregon but California has suffered "net negative" domestic migration now for almost a decade. Population has grown because of natural (more births than deaths) and international migration (both legal and not)
SInce CA unemployment is LOWER than the nation it isn't because the state is losing employers and folks are leaving for better economic opportunities (with a caveat - see below)
There are 2 factors pertaining to domestic outmigration.
A) It is clear that some folks are moving out of state due to high housing/cost of living. They are seeking opportunities in states like Zona, Nevada and Texas where the cost of living is lower and wages are about the same/modestly lower. In other words, they are avoiding the sunshine tax which California employers (and the state) have long imposed on workers that are in "middle skill" jobs.
B) But the vast majority of California ex-pats are "equity" migrants - that have made a ton on their biggest asset (their home) and are taking the chips off the table. When you have 4 bed/3 bath tract homes selling for 950,000 in So Cal there is LITTLE doubt that people are checking zillow and saying "I can get HOW MUCH with just my capital gains???!!"
This is particularly true since California (like a fair number of sunbelt states) is just now "digesting" the retirement of the baby boomers who migrated to these states in the boom boom 1970s and 1980s. Think your defense aerospace worker who lasted it out and bought a tract home in Long BEach for 30K in 1978. Now worth 750,000 Bend Oregon or Tempe is looking really good.
It is true all over but actual corporate "relocations" for tax reasons are VERY small in relationship to any state's economy. Makes for headlines but really a drop in the bucket. Much more significant is when industries collapse/transform (think steel and Western PA or Autos and Detroit).....but that has a LOT less to do with politics and a lot more to do with industry reorganization and the decreasing benefits of staying put vs. investing significant capital in low cost areas when the market demands retooling and reinventing oneself. States can get out in front of that - but it is a challenge because being low cost usually means low service and that hurts EXISTING businesses that are sticking it out.
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Post by tapecrawler on Dec 18, 2018 21:02:17 GMT
This thread makes laugh every time I read it. It has turned into the general discussion forum’s equivalent of Khador’s Creepy Card Player thread.
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Post by bundeez on Dec 18, 2018 21:30:02 GMT
+1! *on a sidenote: Is it possible to unsubscribe from a threat? don't want to follow this one anymore, no more conspiracies about PP to keep my interest
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Dec 18, 2018 23:49:27 GMT
I think this thread is due for another random tangent unrelated to anything else in it. How about seasonal food? Does anyone else like pumpkin pie?
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Post by sand20go on Dec 19, 2018 0:03:10 GMT
I think this thread is due for another random tangent unrelated to anything else in it. How about seasonal food? Does anyone else like pumpkin pie? I LOVE pumpkin pie but sometimes am too lazy to make it (see laziness in checking for upkeep markers). So there was a running joke with my wife that I would buy several cans of mix and crust and then it would just sit and sit and sit there.....;-)
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Post by mcdermott on Dec 19, 2018 2:46:22 GMT
Sweet potato pie is better in every way. Pumpkin is for curry and tempura
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Post by jisidro on Dec 19, 2018 9:27:09 GMT
I, for one, am following the discussion on internal immigration.
Imigration is and will be a hot topic now that capitalism isn't giving out TVs, easier living and prosperity to go around.
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