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Post by mcdermott on Nov 30, 2018 0:07:26 GMT
If they hadn't closed their faction forums, we'd be having the conversation over there and they could auto-correct "skornergy" to "options" the way they got rid of CoC. But they did so we can call it whatever we want That’s fair. I’ve been playing warmachine with the Devs on game night for years and they genuinely dislike that so Im used to talking about the actual flaws of a models interraction instead of labeling it Skornergy and assuming my point is clear. For example, I get that in this instance one rule would override another rule, but think of it like ammo types. One ammo type is berserk, the other is ignoring tough and RFPing. I don’t see how that’s unfair to the Doom Reavers or why they have to have all the ammo types all the time or theyre useless. I also wouldn’t label it Skornergy. I honestly would have rather seen a non AD 10 strong unit without WM but maybe a bit higher p+s that had grievous, or grievous on greylords rather than trying to stack it all on one unit. But i get it wasn't a full CID
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Post by josephkerr on Nov 30, 2018 0:13:19 GMT
That’s fair. I’ve been playing warmachine with the Devs on game night for years and they genuinely dislike that so Im used to talking about the actual flaws of a models interraction instead of labeling it Skornergy and assuming my point is clear. For example, I get that in this instance one rule would override another rule, but think of it like ammo types. One ammo type is berserk, the other is ignoring tough and RFPing. I don’t see how that’s unfair to the Doom Reavers or why they have to have all the ammo types all the time or theyre useless. I also wouldn’t label it Skornergy. I honestly would have rather seen a non AD 10 strong unit without WM but maybe a bit higher p+s that had grievous, or grievous on greylords rather than trying to stack it all on one unit. But i get it wasn't a full CID This is probably the closest u can get to making an exciting theme with only 1 caster attatchment released to “fix” the theme. Tons of rules changes to turn mediocre theme support into exciting theme support. Theres a lot of other themes that lack proper support that may get help via model rules changes instead of having to wait for a full model release with battle engines and solos etc.
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Post by jdeckert on Nov 30, 2018 0:26:53 GMT
It's also a little tongue-in-cheek. I don't disagree with you, and I do think it's nice to be considerate of the devs and think of them as actual people rather than talking heads who never tell us what we really want to know during the keynote once a year and never give us the rules we want on our models. I would also tend to think of Skornergy as something that's not really optional - e.g. take-down that you can't turn off. But that's a little semantic and I'm not sure there could be a standard definition of what counts and doesn't.
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Post by mcdermott on Nov 30, 2018 0:55:34 GMT
I have a really hard time with the fact that I didn't see any tests vs reavers that were like, caine1 or haley1
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Post by kovnikninehouse on Nov 30, 2018 1:58:26 GMT
I have a really hard time with the fact that I didn't see any tests vs reavers that were like, caine1 or haley1 In week 2 I faced CG. With train sprays for days that wasn't pretty also I couldn't hit the rocket people.
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Post by Havock on Nov 30, 2018 3:57:19 GMT
After this and S0's release I think LoS will step down and become our worst list, it's a slightly more survivable list compared to Wolves but hits not nearly as hard. Countercharge probably won't be enough to salvage that list anymore.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Nov 30, 2018 4:01:00 GMT
I have a really hard time with the fact that I didn't see any tests vs reavers that were like, caine1 or haley1 I posted a batrep against Haley 1!
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Post by borderprince on Nov 30, 2018 5:38:07 GMT
During the Dev Chat Stream Pagani outright said that he will try to work an ARM debuff into the Army in one form or another Wow! Well okay then, I can't really argue with that! I'm still surprised though; how many other non-caster ARM debuffs are there? Dark Shroud is melee, Rust is constructs only, Withering Humour is living... Harm and Curse of Shadows are on characters... Have I missed any? How has Khador ended up with nearly the most ubiquitous and least restrictive ARM debuff? (Although I suppose it is only single target) There's Falk's Rune-Marked too. Can in theory apply to multiple targets because it is triggered by being hit by a spray. Only applies to magic attacks, but:
1 - He's in Sons of the Tempest, which is rather full of magic attacks;
2 - Arlan is in that theme, so can hand out magic weapons to a jack.
(3 - In theory that theme could also take Precursor Knights as a merc choice. With their magical melee attacks, that could give the theme P+S14 pseudo-WM (via mini-feat) blessed melee attacks. But still, they're Precursors, so hardly a great choice.)
Should probably also remember Alchemical Accelerant (boosted fire damage rolls) - applied from range by Croak Hunters (with an AoE) and the CG Retaliator (which again uses sprays).
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Post by mcdermott on Nov 30, 2018 6:14:35 GMT
I have a really hard time with the fact that I didn't see any tests vs reavers that were like, caine1 or haley1 I posted a batrep against Haley 1! Yeah but week 1 vs week 3 is a pretty big difference in lists. itd be interesting to have seen how predatory gunlines were vs doomies at 10 points.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Nov 30, 2018 8:30:56 GMT
I have a really hard time with the fact that I didn't see any tests vs reavers that were like, caine1 or haley1 Someone posted a "report" against Siege 1 Sons of the Tempest, but sadly he didn't post the actual reports and just his conclusions, so they're not verifiable, even after multiple people asked him what was up with that.
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Post by mcdermott on Nov 30, 2018 8:34:12 GMT
I have a really hard time with the fact that I didn't see any tests vs reavers that were like, caine1 or haley1 Someone posted a "report" against Siege 1 Sons of the Tempest, but sadly he didn't post the actual reports and just his conclusions, so they're not verifiable, even after multiple people asked him what was up with that. I mean its certainly more of a hard counter than tharn ravagers
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Post by jisidro on Nov 30, 2018 11:42:25 GMT
If Doom Reaver spam isn't blasted away by Gun Mages something is seriously wrong. Not including scenario plays, just talkeing attriction here.
The should-not-be clouds which turn off shooting against the guys that now turn off any healing based survival will make a difference but can't be enough. As a corollary I'd think something was seriously wrong if a MOW force was decimated by gunmages.
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Post by hocestbellum on Nov 30, 2018 11:58:03 GMT
If Doom Reaver spam isn't blasted away by Gun Mages something is seriously wrong. Not including scenario plays, just talkeing attriction here. The should-not-be clouds which turn off shooting against the guys that now turn off any healing based survival will make a difference but can't be enough. As a corollary I'd think something was seriously wrong if a MOW force was decimated by gunmages. I feel like this was more an aspect of the guy playing OW2 than anything else. R10 shooting pretty much dies to windstorm, and they can't use gunfighter because of the Koldun Lords
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Post by macdaddy on Nov 30, 2018 11:59:24 GMT
Someone posted a "report" against Siege 1 Sons of the Tempest, but sadly he didn't post the actual reports and just his conclusions, so they're not verifiable, even after multiple people asked him what was up with that. I mean its certainly more of a hard counter than tharn ravagers You know what is sad though? Just play old witch 2 and gunline match ups are mostly solved. Which is concerning
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Post by hocestbellum on Nov 30, 2018 12:04:24 GMT
There was one V2 into Ravyn that only had 8 Doom Reavers left by the time the lines met, got nigh-tabled, but still won on scenario. Another one B3 into Siege trenchers that was getting slaughtered, but got B3 into range in the process... I feel like I'm missing another one, too.
There were a fair few where DRs just imploded if they lost too many on the way in. I feel like 10pts is manageable
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