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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 9, 2018 18:46:29 GMT
So what do you guys think about the Kings in competitive play right now? Any of them individually or as a group. I do see the GK-only BG in Storm of the North sometimes, and there was Jaden's list with the Sea King and wagons.
My concern is that it's too many points to invest in something that draws so much fire and dies before it can do enough. So I don't run any Kings unless my caster has some special way of protecting them like Gunny and Madrak 1 feats do. Gunny also has the rock wall. Kolgrima can at least spell ward one.
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mazog
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Post by mazog on Nov 9, 2018 19:10:06 GMT
Horgle2 can tune up its armor to 23...
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Nov 9, 2018 19:37:06 GMT
*waiting on GDNerd to show up*
I like the GK the best, and maybe under someone not seen regularly like a Horgle or Grissel2. SeaKing seems to have some play with one of the Grims. Probably just waiting for that next round of innovation to come up. Are there any competitive lists other than PoM where huge stompers are actually popular? And even that is a recent development.
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Post by mydnight on Nov 10, 2018 0:18:25 GMT
Why is the sea king particularly good with grim1?
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Post by daveg on Nov 10, 2018 0:52:22 GMT
*waiting on GDNerd to show up* I like the GK the best, and maybe under someone not seen regularly like a Horgle or Grissel2. SeaKing seems to have some play with one of the Grims. Probably just waiting for that next round of innovation to come up. Are there any competitive lists other than PoM where huge stompers are actually popular? And even that is a recent development. The big bug in Primal Terrors, storm raptors incoming, Kraken gets some love and so does the Khador ones. There are a lot of battle engines but I'm guessing those aren't the huge bases you're looking for.
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Post by LoS Jaden on Nov 10, 2018 1:46:34 GMT
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Post by mydnight on Nov 10, 2018 3:30:48 GMT
Wow awesomely detailed write-up, and insane basing on that sea king.
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Post by gedditoffme on Nov 10, 2018 3:45:24 GMT
Jaden, Just want to say love your work. As a troll enemy trying to get a quick rundown on my opponents, this is a perfect summary of how they play, complete with quick WMU links to each model mentioned. Will trawl around your site to see if there are other good summaries like that.
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Post by LoS Jaden on Nov 10, 2018 4:12:36 GMT
mydnight - thanks man! It's a fun model gedditoffme - not as such no, but I'm getting ready to write one about Krueger 2 bones and maybe another about the Dancock's Bearka list. We will see I'm focusing on finishing up Journeyman league guides right now and getting my WMW battle reports up. After that we will see Glad you liked it!
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Post by gdnerd on Nov 10, 2018 6:23:10 GMT
*waiting on GDNerd to show up* I like the GK the best, and maybe under someone not seen regularly like a Horgle or Grissel2. SeaKing seems to have some play with one of the Grims. Probably just waiting for that next round of innovation to come up. Are there any competitive lists other than PoM where huge stompers are actually popular? And even that is a recent development. Someone rang? The Kings are in an interesting spot. PoD isn't doing all that hot right now which means you are probably playing just BoH and SotN (Grim1 KC excepting). So, you aren't taking more than 1 (and probably not taking more beasts than just a king) unless you're doing something worth losing freebie slots. Each of them have their use cases, but you have to know exactly what you're getting out of them and that it's what you want. - Mountain King: Hoo boy that spray is cash money. If you can boost its output (horgle2 firestarter plus feat? or more like guided fire from gunnbjorn) then it is for sure a juicy target. If you make it tougher (grissel2 or ragnor feat, IR with Horgle2) you can park it in the middle of the board and force your opponent to ignore it or spawn a bajillion whelps from which it will just heal back to full if not killed. If you're in PoD, it shines even more as a source of Rage freeing up the often mandatory Mauler points (but again isn't in vogue atm). - Glacier King: My boo for the last year. Pretty much everything it does synergizes with Madrak1. The concealment bubble is valuable for turning on prowl on bears, keeping your warlock/stone/screening units safe, etc. The gun lets you poke at a decent distance (for decent damage too with cold stone on, even fully boosted via horgle2 firestarter or gunnbjorn guided fire), and it can even be sped up as it's a northkin model. It can lock down high def hard targets (def 13 skin and moans and def 14 warpwolves come to mind) with auto stationary on its fists as well. It's an obvious serious choice in SotN but can easily achieve similar results in BoH as well. It's just generally good if you aren't doing anything specific with your battlegroup and want an anchor. - Sea King: The weird one. Jaden has written about his vomity goodness so I won't wax poetic about the anchor boi too much but I think he's the obvious choice for KC as Chain Strike allows him to have a serious melee threat without an Axer (which you cannot take or afford in the theme). His animus is just begging to be broken with EBDTs as well but that's for when PoD becomes popular again.
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Nov 12, 2018 12:44:37 GMT
*waiting on GDNerd to show up* I like the GK the best, and maybe under someone not seen regularly like a Horgle or Grissel2. SeaKing seems to have some play with one of the Grims. Probably just waiting for that next round of innovation to come up. Are there any competitive lists other than PoM where huge stompers are actually popular? And even that is a recent development. The big bug in Primal Terrors, storm raptors incoming, Kraken gets some love and so does the Khador ones. There are a lot of battle engines but I'm guessing those aren't the huge bases you're looking for. I'll give you the Bug. Storm Raptors, I still want to see how the mindset in that faction plays out, although I personally think they are quite good. Kraken and Khador, yea, you see them. But are they really popular in the way that Judicator and the Bug are?
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Post by jarrow on Nov 13, 2018 7:03:23 GMT
Gargantuans are quite hard place in theme-forces as taking only one gargantuan is a big risk. Legion can easily take BB and lesser or two so they have good beast and really cheap fury as backup. Cheapest troll is 7p, so that's 12-16p out of free models and if you want 3 free models, you can't pay more than 15p of you battlegroup. I think 3-4p lesser troll would really make kings more popular. Warmachine on the other hand can more easily take just one colossal as battlegroup.
Another note is that PoD is so crappy beast theme. If we have decent lesser, it would see more playtime or better fury management than relying whelps to be alive after enemy turn. Maybe we get Volcano King that Horgle can take?
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