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Post by hocestbellum on Oct 15, 2018 15:40:21 GMT
... Make the best of what you have.
I was idly wondering the other day what caster pairings people would play if the 'top picks' were not available to them; so for Khador in the last couple of years the most popular casters have been Vlad1, Vlad2, and Butcher3.
What would you play if those three casters were not available, and why? Who is the 'best of the rest'?
If you strip those casters out of the WTC, for example, then Zerkova would be our most popular caster. But I think that is more to do with her being an excellent tech counter rather than a mainstay list.
I think Armoured Corps would still be popular, as you could switch in several other casters for V2, such as Irusk, S3, Strakhov2, etc. But that would be two of the main WGK casters gone, and I wonder if that would affect its popularity. Or would it appear as a Jack list more?
I personally reckon (with a heavy dose of bias) that Irusk2 would leap up the table, as he's a good AC caster and the Stalingrad list seems to have gained some traction in WGK.
My pairing (if you can call it such when I seem to only manage 1 game every 2 months) would remain as I2 Armoured Corps and Sorscha1 Legion of Steel, but that's because I'm the sort of ornery bugger who avoids running the most popular lists anyway.
But I'm curious to hear what other forumites would run without the consideration of 'Well, Vlad/B3 does it better...'
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Post by mcdermott on Oct 15, 2018 16:18:32 GMT
Sorscha3 and Irusk2 AK, in a combined/jack flank melee list and bombardier gunline.
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Post by benjamini on Oct 15, 2018 16:48:06 GMT
I usually run Vlad2 AK/OW2 WGK these days, so at least one aspect of my pairing is still available to me.
In the absence of Vlad 2, I would probably want to maintain a melee-based AK as one member of my pairing because WGK handles the ranged game pretty well in my experience. So Sorscha 3 would probably get a little more attention from me, as would Strakhov 2.
Once Sorscha 0 is out, I may also give Butcher 2 in Jaws a serious try, as (despite his flaws) running him Jack Heavy back in MKII was one of my favourite lists. (Back then it was hard to give your jacks focus period, so running him with a bunch of jacks that didn't really need it every turn, (Ruin once he released,and some combination of Devastators, kodiaks, and marauders) and a couple koldun lords was a fun list! I have my concerns about the viability of that in MKIII, but nostalgia is a hell of a thing.
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Post by hocestbellum on Oct 15, 2018 18:27:45 GMT
Good old B2; it always warms my heart to know I'm not the only one who likes him
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Post by Ganso on Oct 15, 2018 19:19:38 GMT
I would probably run Irusk_2 in ArmCorp and Old Witch_2 in Jaws.
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Post by The Snark Knight on Oct 15, 2018 20:45:50 GMT
... Make the best of what you have. I was idly wondering the other day what caster pairings people would play if the 'top picks' were not available to them; so for Khador in the last couple of years the most popular casters have been Vlad1, Vlad2, and Butcher3. What would you play if those three casters were not available, and why? Another faction. Butcher3 or GTFO. |
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Post by kovnikninehouse on Oct 15, 2018 21:52:34 GMT
Irusk2, OW2
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Post by maxtermynd on Oct 16, 2018 18:38:36 GMT
I currently don't play any of those warcasters, but then again I'm a special snowflake  I've been loving Sorscha3 lately, and my next test is Irusk2 in WGK. Though if my bombardiers ever get off of back order running him or Butcher1 in Armored Corps sounds cool too. |
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Post by sand20go on Oct 17, 2018 2:23:53 GMT
First, you will pry Vlad 2's shoulder pads from my cold dead hands
But if forced to play out of those casters I would pull out Strakov1 - ESPECIALLY at larger cons and steamrollers. The reduction in cost of the Spriggan was wonderful for him. He is an ultra high skill caster (and you HAVE to have a strategy/list which can survive losing a jack or 3) but 21 inch threat range on a reach jack with Superiority is just silly good. The trick is figuring out how to leverage that when your opponent won't give you the kill.
(PS - why I say larger cons is that for friendlies and weekend pick ups you are going to EXPLAIN it to your opponent cause how much fun is it to rewrack/end your game on top of 2. But that is fair of fair game at cons/SR.
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Post by auraco on Oct 17, 2018 2:32:19 GMT
Without Butcher3 and Vlad2 we are pretty much screwed against cryx aren’t we?
I mean khador can build good all commers lists, but need special tech against Cryx, and B3 and Vlad2 are the two best casters in faction to provide that.
I mean we can still run a lot of good list without them, I’ve been running Sorscha3 a lot these days and she’s solid. OW2 is great in armored corps and winterguard kommand, i haven’t tried the irusks yet but it seem to me they’d both also be solid to lead Armored corps.
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Post by Cryptix on Oct 17, 2018 3:23:47 GMT
Butcher2, Zevhanna1. I don't need to accept substitutes if I'm already using the most bottom tier casters anyway.
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Post by sand20go on Oct 17, 2018 4:23:38 GMT
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Oct 17, 2018 5:15:25 GMT
Old Witch1 and either Strakhov1 or Butcher2 for me!
Though Vlad3 is looking interesting as well I must admit...
Cheers,
Dave
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Post by skathrex on Oct 17, 2018 10:29:03 GMT
Without Butcher3 and Vlad2 we are pretty much screwed against cryx aren’t we? I mean khador can build good all commers lists, but need special tech against Cryx, and B3 and Vlad2 are the two best casters in faction to provide that. I mean we can still run a lot of good list without them, I’ve been running Sorscha3 a lot these days and she’s solid. OW2 is great in armored corps and winterguard kommand, i haven’t tried the irusks yet but it seem to me they’d both also be solid to lead Armored corps. I think that thought process is pretty outdated. Cryx is a very veratile faction and against many lists you can just play a fair game with certain differences. For example I am only afraid of Cryx with my S3 if they bring 2 WE. I can play into Slayers, Slaughterfleet and Satyxs. GF is not as much as a problem anymore and only the double WE build is a problem. That said if I don't have the usual suspects i would go for S3 (obviously), OW2 (again pretty obvious) or Irusk2. The rest are a litte less popluar but still viable like the Strakovs, Karchev is still very strong too. |
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Post by hocestbellum on Oct 17, 2018 10:50:12 GMT
Butcher2, Zevhanna1. I don't need to accept substitutes if I'm already using the most bottom tier casters anyway. Old Witch1 and either Strakhov1 or Butcher2 for me! Though Vlad3 is looking interesting as well I must admit... Cheers, Dave Wow, and I thought I was taking the road less traveled with Sorscha1! |
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