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Post by redcathal on Oct 8, 2018 9:53:50 GMT
Had a small no theme tournament in my local game shop this weekend, only 6 guys but went 2-1.
Results as follows: Went second against Madrak bottom of 2 assassination win, went first in a scenario loss against Skarre1 (Proteus just didnt have enough fury), and got a top of 2 assassination win against Mordikaar. Scythean getting the two caster kills.
List was: Rhyas, succubbus, proteus, zuriel, scythean, seraph, protector, forsaken, 2 shepherds, nyss warlord, eilish garrity and double deathstalker
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Post by chillychinaman on Oct 8, 2018 17:32:16 GMT
Some questions as a fellow Rhyas fan:
1) In your two wins the Scythean secured your kills. Did the rest of the army contribute meaningfully in 3.5 turns there were active?
2) Could we get some more details on your scenario loss? What happened with Proteus where you wish he had more fury?
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Post by snotling on Oct 9, 2018 6:40:13 GMT
Big question: did your opponents play vs rhyas before? Because after the first time most players just keep their caster safe and win over attrition/szenario.
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Post by eauc on Oct 9, 2018 9:57:30 GMT
Big question: did your opponents play vs rhyas before? Because after the first time most players just keep their caster safe and win over attrition/szenario. I've seen quite good players do exactly this, but the game was going so well that on turn 6 they forgot just one time to place their wardude in a safe place, even though they already knew about Rhyas and were telling me exactly this since the beginning of the game. In my experience, the best protection has more often been multiple-models wardudes like twins or coven, it becomes far easier to never mis-place all models on any turn. Rhyas gameplay is indeed not that hard to counter in theory, doesn't mean you can't place very well in major tournaments with her either. Been there, done that. Players make mistakes, and Legion (outside of the PT abomination) is more and more about grabing desesperately on those mistakes
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Post by snotling on Oct 9, 2018 11:23:04 GMT
Big question: did your opponents play vs rhyas before? Because after the first time most players just keep their caster safe and win over attrition/szenario. I've seen quite good players do exactly this, but the game was going so well that on turn 6 they forgot just one time to place their wardude in a safe place, even though they already knew about Rhyas and were telling me exactly this since the beginning of the game. In my experience, the best protection has more often been multiple-models wardudes like twins or coven, it becomes far easier to never mis-place all models on any turn. Rhyas gameplay is indeed not that hard to counter in theory, doesn't mean you can't place very well in major tournaments with her either. Been there, done that. Players make mistakes, and Legion (outside of the PT abomination) is more and more about grabing desesperately on those mistakes Legion nowadays is about playing Kallus1 in primal terrors with double rotwings, double chosen, and rolling over people^^ I had to deal with this list since the cid, and I was asking myself when it would catch on. We really can't do the underdog thing whilt we have primal terrors xD
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Post by redcathal on Oct 10, 2018 10:59:00 GMT
Some questions as a fellow Rhyas fan: 1) In your two wins the Scythean secured your kills. Did the rest of the army contribute meaningfully in 3.5 turns there were active? 2) Could we get some more details on your scenario loss? What happened with Proteus where you wish he had more fury? 1) Proteus enabled the first one on madrak by pulling him into range after teleporting behind his champion brick, seraph cleared lanes and provides the all important slipstream, Deathstalkers also cleared lanes as did zuriel. Special shout out to the byss warlord who one shotted a skarre feated stalker in my cryx game. 2) It was the pit, I went first. My turn two I got the scythean to a pair of stalkers, one the seraph had put a whole bunch of damage into. Scythean killed them easy but was killed in response by skarre feated jacks and banes. I'd put some deathstalkers in the zone to contest but relying on Def15 against dark guidances doesnt work. That turn he'd also killed Zuriel who i'd mistakenly moved up to spray Ghost caine forgetting I needed a magic weapon. He scored 2 (circle zone and left zone). So turn 3 I went all in on an assassination, the warlord cleared the stalker jamming Proteus (as mentioned above) rhyas and eilish cleared his lane to a stalker within teleport range of skarre (although thinking about it now the stuff in the way was black banes so should have just puppetmastered him). So he charges the stalker for 1, def 15 and I need to hit the 7 so I boost is 2, boost the drag on skarre needing 8s is 3, then proceed to miss a couple of hard 8s on her and land a good shot that she spends focus to drop down. Leaves her on 8. Next turn he kills objective and seraph in my zone and scores his left zone again for the 3 he needed for an easy win. My plan was for the warlord to kill that objective so if I had instead used rhyas to kill the stalker and puppet master him the assassination goes better. And if I score the point I'm contesting better and up a point so don't lose easily? He could probably still dig it out.
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Post by redcathal on Oct 10, 2018 11:01:28 GMT
Big question: did your opponents play vs rhyas before? Because after the first time most players just keep their caster safe and win over attrition/szenario. My first opponent did and we talked about it after, he said he thought he needed Madrak to be up there or else he'd be irrelevant. Not sure I agree but I disgress. Player 2 at least knew becaues he was pretty cautious turn 2 but I guess felt that the stalker as a jamming piece on proteus stopped the run. Player 3 hadn't and was very surprised ...
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Post by snotling on Oct 10, 2018 11:22:06 GMT
Big question: did your opponents play vs rhyas before? Because after the first time most players just keep their caster safe and win over attrition/szenario. My first opponent did and we talked about it after, he said he thought he needed Madrak to be up there or else he'd be irrelevant. Not sure I agree but I disgress. Player 2 at least knew becaues he was pretty cautious turn 2 but I guess felt that the stalker as a jamming piece on proteus stopped the run. Player 3 hadn't and was very surprised ... irrelevant is better than dead tho....
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Post by davycannonhound on Oct 10, 2018 22:33:13 GMT
Great wins! Love me some Rhyas (if you haven't seen it already, check out my Rhyas tactica).
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Post by eauc on Oct 11, 2018 21:25:24 GMT
We really can't do the underdog thing whilt we have primal terrors xD I still can't bring myself to see PT as a Legion list. And I was a big fan of the Ogruns lists in mk2. So it's not just about the disturbingly handsome muscular bodies of the ogruns Where are my spawning vessels and my cute little shredders ? But now all the fun in thoses lists is dead. I'm certainly not playing this in tournaments anymore. Did once. Played all 5 games with PT. Destroyed 5 armies. Lost 2 games only because I was bored senseless. Could have won all 5 games easily by playing a bit seriously. But I only felt empty. (At least Kallus1 with all fast units looks less boring on paper, but I can't bring myself to buy those vulturs when I already have 2 units of grots sitting on my shelves - and god are chosens boring to play). Rhyas on the other hand, rarely works. But when she does, she's epic fun Just her feat has already more epic combinations with all kind of models, than all the PT list I've seen brought together. And that's before you consider how awesomely stupid it is to charge into the fray with a Fury5 16/14 warlock, just hoping to trigger sprint somewhere along the way And those wins against those bragging players, who knew perfectly well, they could lose the game only one way... they'll keep you warm at night for years
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Post by redcathal on Oct 12, 2018 12:22:51 GMT
Rhyas on the other hand, rarely works. But when she does, she's epic fun 2/3 times she works, every time
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