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Post by maxmaino on Sept 17, 2018 12:58:54 GMT
I was thinking about how much I miss the bears in BOE. ambush is really useful in a caster like Kolgrima that plays against gunline and can support mercenary without too much trouble.
Also i like the benefit in theme to counter recursion.
Are Trogg a good solution?
Trollblood - Kolgrima
Theme: Band of Heroes
3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Kolgrima Stonetruth, Winter Witch - WB: +28
- Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0
- Earthborn Dire Troll - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14)
- Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14)
Fell Caller Hero - PC: 0
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes - Leader & 3 Grunts: 6
- Northkin Elder - PC: 3
Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
- Skaldi Bonehammer - PC: 0
Trollkin Champions - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
Trollkin Fennblades - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15
- Trollkin Fennblade Officer & Drummer - Officer & Drummer: 5
Bog Trog Ambushers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 13
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Sept 17, 2018 13:01:23 GMT
I feel like a skinner and/or Hutchuk might be better options.
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Post by maxmaino on Sept 17, 2018 13:38:20 GMT
I feel like a skinner and/or Hutchuk might be better options. I think body counts are an important factor, playing 34 models allows me to start over most infantry lists and between no recursion and Kolgrimma' flames I have a big advantage in terms of actrition |
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bundeez
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Post by bundeez on Sept 17, 2018 13:50:50 GMT
BOE?  |
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Post by maxmaino on Sept 17, 2018 14:05:16 GMT
BOE? BOH sorry 😉 |
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Sept 17, 2018 14:43:34 GMT
I've also seen Bog Trog Ambushers used in Kriel Company, especially since you're more likely to go first, which makes Ambush even better. You just have to compare that to the alternative of doubling up on Pyg Lookouts, which is probably better. That said, I do like the idea of using them in BOH but even more for certain warlocks in POD. Kolgrima is one because she can use Ambush to put a squeeze on the opponent and she doesn't mind spending 10-15 points on Minions. Something like this maybe? conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0bj10r9Djp0h0jjq7dfJfJ6Rk40li-Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia [Kolgrima 1] Kolgrima Stonetruth, Winter Witch [+28] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Troll Axer [10] - Troll Bouncer [9] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Janissa Stonetide [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [4] Troll Whelps [4] Bog Trog Ambushers (min) [8] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] |
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Post by disgruntledwargamer on Sept 17, 2018 20:47:26 GMT
I believe ambush helps when you have an army that wants a central game, and an opponent who doesn't.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Sept 17, 2018 22:14:54 GMT
I believe ambush helps when you have an army that wants a central game, and an opponent who doesn't. That's part of it, but even if they do, you get to react on turn 2 and go after scenario elements that are not otherwise easily accessible. |
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Post by disgruntledwargamer on Sept 17, 2018 22:34:47 GMT
I've also seen Bog Trog Ambushers used in Kriel Company, especially since you're more likely to go first, which makes Ambush even better. You just have to compare that to the alternative of doubling up on Pyg Lookouts, which is probably better. That said, I do like the idea of using them in BOH but even more for certain warlocks in POD. Kolgrima is one because she can use Ambush to put a squeeze on the opponent and she doesn't mind spending 10-15 points on Minions. Something like this maybe? conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0bj10r9Djp0h0jjq7dfJfJ6Rk40li-Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia [Kolgrima 1] Kolgrima Stonetruth, Winter Witch [+28] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Troll Axer [10] - Troll Bouncer [9] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Janissa Stonetide [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [4] Troll Whelps [4] Bog Trog Ambushers (min) [8] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] I bought the trogs to add to SotN for a silly max ambush list. Then, ended up running them in the almost exact list above. Switched them out for brigands. I can see some play with the trogs, and grima is probably better with them than others, because she can push things into ambush range. |
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gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Sept 18, 2018 1:49:13 GMT
Silly max ambush list? I'll show YOU a silly max ambush list. conflictchamber.com/#c7201b590r0hfHfCk5k5iZiZj0j0Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Grim 1] Grim Angus [+29] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Troll Axer [10] Bog Trog Trawler [3] Hutchuk, Ogrun Bounty Hunter [6] Bog Trog Ambushers (max) [13] Bog Trog Ambushers (max) [13] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Pyg Lookouts (max) [10] Pyg Lookouts (max) [10] |
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Post by disgruntledwargamer on Sept 18, 2018 1:55:30 GMT
Silly max ambush list? I'll show YOU a silly max ambush list. conflictchamber.com/#c7201b590r0hfHfCk5k5iZiZj0j0Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Grim 1] Grim Angus [+29] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Troll Axer [10] Bog Trog Trawler [3] Hutchuk, Ogrun Bounty Hunter [6] Bog Trog Ambushers (max) [13] Bog Trog Ambushers (max) [13] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Pyg Lookouts (max) [10] Pyg Lookouts (max) [10] But what about the themez??? Lol |
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gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Sept 18, 2018 3:28:21 GMT
The theme is "literally everything not in your BG has ambush".
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Sept 18, 2018 4:21:22 GMT
Yet this could be legit. You might have to make cuts for Whelps but it's a thought. conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0G590r0h0jjq6GfCj2k50li-iZiZj0Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North [Grim 1] Grim Angus [+29] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Troll Axer [10] - Troll Bouncer [9] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [5] Hutchuk, Ogrun Bounty Hunter [6] Valka Curseborn, Chieftain of the North [0(6)] Bog Trog Ambushers (max) [13] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handlers & Battle Bears [10] Pyg Lookouts (max) [10] The Fell Caller is not there just out of habit. He's more of an insurance policy in case the KSB needs Pathfinder or the Bears can't really use Gang. Most of the time he will just hold a flag, but he is a capable combatant on his own. In this list, he's not bad for piece trades. |
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