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Post by auraco on Jul 26, 2018 14:03:05 GMT
I've been dojoing a bit of armored corps these days because my tankers are about the be fully painted. I've been trying to fit a full unit of kayazy assassins in a couple of armored corps list and on paper I don't hate the idea. You can take the CA for free with the theme, so if you go minimum battlegroup you can still get 3 free things, one of them will be the Assassins' CA but it can still mean up to 16 free points which isn't bad at all. They also give you one more khador unit for advance move purposes. Sadly it means taking the strict minimum of battlegroup points or losing free stuff, so no colossals here if you want to maximise free stuff. They give a lot of bodies to the usually very low model count theme and they offer high def screening that might screw with the heavy hiters your opponent will try to steer into your man o war. This is the list that got me thinking about them, because Sorscha3 usually only wants 40 points of man o war and she has iron flesh. conflictchamber.com/#c3201b_-0Tk_kV7s7s8p8pl4l4l3l386cfcgl2Khador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Armored Corps [Sorscha 3] Kommandant Sorscha Kratikoff [+28] - Beast 09 [18] - Kodiak [13] - Kodiak [13] Man-O-War Drakhun [9] Man-O-War Drakhun [9] Man-O-War Strike Tanker [0(5)] Man-O-War Strike Tanker [0(5)] Man-O-War Suppression Tanker [6] Man-O-War Suppression Tanker [6] Battle Mechaniks (min) [3] Kayazy Assassins (max) [15] - Kayazy Assassin Underboss [4] Kommandant Atanas Arconovich & Standard [7] Not sure how it would perform on the table but worth a try. I could see a couple of other casters try it and possibly pull it off. Irusk1 and 2 comes to mind, iron flesh and solid ground being a thing. Strakhov2 could also like them, Quickened Kayazy are probably good and they are not a bad last stand target. Has anyone tried this and how well has it worked for you? |
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Post by chuggyg on Jul 26, 2018 14:47:00 GMT
If you're not aiming for the full 60 points of man-o-war, why not just take Nyss Hunters instead? Higher def, better melee output, and some high accuracy hunter guns for 4 points more.
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Post by auraco on Jul 26, 2018 14:56:32 GMT
Nyss hunters could work too, tried them with Vlad2 armored corps a while ago and was very underwhelmed, the nyss are really expansive, the 4 point difference with the Kayazy shows a lot.
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Post by borderprince on Jul 26, 2018 14:59:58 GMT
I thought about it with Irusk2 for a bit. We all know he likes Kayazy models.
Only tried it once. So far as I remember, the major problem I had was interference with the theme bonus. I wanted to deploy the Kayazy to let my MoW units maximise the advance moves. But that meant the Kayazy ended up behind/off to the sides of the MoW. And then the Kayazy were kind of stuck behind the MoW on Turn 1, or got in the way when working out where I wanted MoW to go.
Wasn't too much of a problem in the game I played as not that much (other than some fairly ineffectual shooting) happened until Turn 3, but against fast-moving opponents it could be an issue. Probably not too much of a problem for better players than me either. That said, I think there would be unpacking problems with any other caster. Sorcha3 might help with the issue because she doesn't push to take lots of MoW units.
What they were very good for was not being shot and then preventing things like jack charges into MoW. Jacks had to trample past Kayazy, which lost them their initial attacks and therefore reduced casualties in the MoW.
Auraco - not sure how useful Atanas would be in the list you posted. With no units, his benefits are fairly limited other than Tactician, but I'm not sold on that alone for 7 points.
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Post by MrHaystacks on Jul 26, 2018 15:10:14 GMT
I like the idea, I don't really see the point of Artanis in that list.
Is it worth taking him and a drakhun out for a unit of demo corp?
*Edit*
Just jotted a list on the bag of a cig packet that looks like
Sorcha 3 +28
2x Kodiak (26)
Beast 09 (18) [16]
Kovnik (4)
Drackhun (9)
Strike Tanker (5)
Supp' Tanker (6) [0]
Supp' Tanker (6)
Kayazi (15)
-Boss (4) [0]
Demo Corp (14)
-Dragos (6)
Check my math please, I think thier may be a better way to organise the free points and maybe fit the dog.
Has a nice balance of hard hitting models, some range support and some screening/anti jam. Not sure Sorcha is the best caster though as said above. I would be tempted by Vlad2 for Hof+Feat or Kozlov for Fury, Tac Sup, Feat. Either Irusk and Strackhov2 could work well but that has been said already. Would want to try and keep the 2nd drackhun as a flank enabler (could be done by dropping beast to a jugg and the kovnic freeing up 2 points to spend on BG also)
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Post by smoothcriminal on Jul 26, 2018 15:14:11 GMT
I think playing kayazi locks you into I2, which isn't that bad because they are like best buddies already. def 15 tough no knockdown can be a big issue for people who drop arm cracking into this.
The problem with S3 (and other IF casters) is that you want IF on every mow unit, not only kayazi.
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Post by welshhoppo on Jul 26, 2018 16:02:28 GMT
Not much to add.
But if you make the under boss the free card it means you're only spending 15 points on the assassins allowing you to get to 60 points of man o wars for another free card.
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Post by Netherby on Jul 26, 2018 16:11:57 GMT
Well, that doesn't look like a bad S3 list at all... I would say a big NO to Nyss Hunters. They are honestly so over priced for what they bring in the current meta... (Or maybe any meta?)
They could look good with OW1 maybe too...
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Post by chuggyg on Jul 26, 2018 16:36:06 GMT
Nyss hunters have...
Hunter, which does something that Khador otherwise does an incredibly shitty job of doing (battling through cover, dig-in, rock wall, etc.)
Speed 7 and range 12 guns, and an extra 3" of movement from Valachev, which projects a threat that kayazy don't get anywhere near, and that armored corps also lacks.
If you're going for a budget tarpit option take sea dogs or press gangers or whatever
Kayazy are in this weird middle area
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Post by The Snark Knight on Jul 26, 2018 17:59:42 GMT
I'm taking them with Irusk 2 until I get my chariots together. They're probably the best Battle Lust target available in Armored Corps.
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Post by auraco on Jul 26, 2018 21:25:10 GMT
I thought about it with Irusk2 for a bit. We all know he likes Kayazy models.
Only tried it once. So far as I remember, the major problem I had was interference with the theme bonus. I wanted to deploy the Kayazy to let my MoW units maximise the advance moves. But that meant the Kayazy ended up behind/off to the sides of the MoW. And then the Kayazy were kind of stuck behind the MoW on Turn 1, or got in the way when working out where I wanted MoW to go.
Wasn't too much of a problem in the game I played as not that much (other than some fairly ineffectual shooting) happened until Turn 3, but against fast-moving opponents it could be an issue. Probably not too much of a problem for better players than me either. That said, I think there would be unpacking problems with any other caster. Sorcha3 might help with the issue because she doesn't push to take lots of MoW units.
What they were very good for was not being shot and then preventing things like jack charges into MoW. Jacks had to trample past Kayazy, which lost them their initial attacks and therefore reduced casualties in the MoW.
Auraco - not sure how useful Atanas would be in the list you posted. With no units, his benefits are fairly limited other than Tactician, but I'm not sold on that alone for 7 points.
He's there mostly to have a unit to score that can still do some work and provide one more advance move, I also think tactician is not lost on the list with Sorscha3 being active charging from behind tankers, making something stationary, and then have the tankers move in front of her to protect her. It's not something for every round but I do kind of like the idea. Keep in mind that this is all just theory and might be different onces models hit the table, but I tend to play very heavily on scenario and I really like to have elements to score scenario elements, Atanas is a cheap way to get that. |
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Post by maxtermynd on Jul 26, 2018 22:28:18 GMT
Kayazy + Sorscha3 seems like it should have some promise. Iron Flesh means you can upkeep and forget 'em to go and contest a zone without worrying about blast damage. Or you can keep them in control and get +2 DEF against anything that can see through stealth.
That not having to keep them in control is key. I tried running them with Irusk2, and while effective I did have issues dispatching something to one of the far flanks without exposing my Kayazy to blast damage. Being able to brick up with most of your force and not lose on this scenario packet is HUGE.
Not sure about the rest of your current Sorscha3 list, but since I have no idea how to build for her I'll keep my mouth shut.
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Post by Havock on Jul 28, 2018 10:57:53 GMT
I thought about it with Irusk2 for a bit. We all know he likes Kayazy models.
Only tried it once. So far as I remember, the major problem I had was interference with the theme bonus. I wanted to deploy the Kayazy to let my MoW units maximise the advance moves. But that meant the Kayazy ended up behind/off to the sides of the MoW. And then the Kayazy were kind of stuck behind the MoW on Turn 1, or got in the way when working out where I wanted MoW to go.
Deploy the Kayazy in columns to maximize both their deployment as the MoW's. : o : o : o :
Like that.
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Post by Netherby on Jul 28, 2018 11:25:07 GMT
It comes close to asking TWO questions!
Can you deal with my highish DEF blast immune stuff AND my high ARM? Of course there isn't a whole heap of either in the list... But even if you can win *A* zone because they can't answer your stuff, that's not a bad advantage to build off.
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Post by Havock on Jul 28, 2018 12:07:41 GMT
The problem is that because you only have one unit of that high def stuff the answer could very possibly be "not really, but I'll manage".
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