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Post by Netherby on Jul 7, 2018 6:15:23 GMT
If you're running Strak2 I don't think you need a faster unit... SPD 8 Shocktroopers should be totally fine  The Steelheads could be good with some other casters though. What you want in a Strak2 list us a unit that you can use Last Stand on. Which could be Steelheads, is there a better choice? Alexia is probably better... |
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Post by tapecrawler on Jul 7, 2018 6:46:59 GMT
Alexia1 was one of the units I considered. But the risen seem to be more of a tripping hazard than an actual threat. Although Thrall missiles are pretty cool.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 7, 2018 10:02:01 GMT
Alexia1 was one of the units I considered. But the risen seem to be more of a tripping hazard than an actual threat. Although Thrall missiles are pretty cool. They should be a decent against average infantry when under Last Stand, but specifically Alexia herself becomes a pretty serious armour cracker when she's making up to around 10 attacks at P+S 12 with four dice. Plus, if you charge Risen in, make CMA's with four damage dice, you still get to spend them on buying and boosting with Alexia.
And correct me if I'm wrong (which it seems I have been a lot recently), but if you make a CMA then only one model gets taken off by Last Stand? So if you make 2-man CMAs then you only really lose half your risen, and you've probably picked up the corpses to replace them?
At the end of the day the low unit cost and access to recursion makes them one of the least "risky" units to have Last Stand on, but also one that arguably makes the most out of it (at most you're getting 20 attacking Risen followed by at 21 attacks from Alexia, and one from Valachev, meaning 42 extra attack dice and 42 extra damage dice in one turn, and again, they are better at using it over multiple turns thanks to recursion; I don't think any other unit can get as much mileage out of Last Stand as Alexia's can).
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Post by borderprince on Jul 7, 2018 10:20:07 GMT
What you want in a Strak2 list us a unit that you can use Last Stand on. Which could be Steelheads, is there a better choice? Alexia is probably better... But casting Last Stand on Alexia isn't that easy because of Granted: Spell Ward. You have to make sure that Alexia is out of formation (possible because Valachev is the ranking officer) and cast the spell on the unit at that point. So end up with Alexia out of formation at the end of an activation and activate Strakhov2 either later in the same turn (but then do nothing with the unit, giving your opponent a turn to react) or have set up the out of formation Alexia the turn before (again, giving your opponent a chance to react to something fairly obvious). It definitely makes Last Stand less flexible.
Not sure if the potential gain is worth the extra effort to be honest. |
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Post by Netherby on Jul 7, 2018 11:07:49 GMT
It's certainly a pain to cast on the Risen, but if you're running AC it's not like you really want Last Stand on anything else. You have to put it on them turn 1 or 2 and regardless of what you do Alexia herself will not be able to do anything until turn 3 unless you kill Valachev after casting Last Stand...
The gain is off the charts though... I mean she will easily kill a colossal...
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 7, 2018 11:58:28 GMT
Not sure if the potential gain is worth the extra effort to be honest. I think if you try it a couple of times you'll find it's not too hard to get an upkeep on them turn one, then jest leave it there until you need it later. I've occasionally put Occultation on the unit with Strak 1. |
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Jul 9, 2018 0:35:29 GMT
Don’t own halbediers but I do own Nyss, and Strak 2 in AK needs a unit that he can Last Stand.
So how about this?
War Room Army
Khador - Strak 2 Nyss & MOW
Theme: Armored Corps
2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Assault Kommander Strakhov & Kommandos - WJ: +22
- Assault Kommander Strakhov & Kommandos (Cont.)
- Victor - PC: 34 (Battlegroup Points Used: 22)
Man-O-War Kovnik - PC: 0
Man-O-War Kovnik - PC: 0
Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters - Cylena & 9 Grunts: 19
- Koldun Kapitan Valachev - PC: 4
Man-O-War Shocktroopers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
- Man-O-War Shocktrooper Officer - PC: 4
Man-O-War Shocktroopers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
- Man-O-War Shocktrooper Officer - PC: 4
Quicken turn 1 on the Nyss who just go WAY up and threat, Turn 2 swap to Last Stand and start quickening the MOW. Victor sits out in the middle of the board at +2 ARM. It can’t deal at all with incorporeal, but if your other list covers that...seems legit.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 9, 2018 3:32:10 GMT
It can’t deal at all with incorporeal, but if your other list covers that...seems legit. Don't forget Valachev has a magic weapon and a magic spray! |
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Post by chuggyg on Jul 9, 2018 17:00:05 GMT
Strakhov2's secret ability is that he's the only warcaster in our entire faction who gives an ARM buff to Warjacks/Battle Engines outside of a feat turn. Build your list with that in mind.
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Post by auraco on Jul 9, 2018 18:31:17 GMT
Does Strakhov2 really need a last stand target? I've played him a lot of in legion of steel and ended up casting last stand exactly once in more than 10 games, I just mostly ignore this part of his kit, sadly, so I'm not sure going out of your way to include it in list building is the way to go.
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Post by chuggyg on Jul 9, 2018 19:25:52 GMT
If you have experience playing circle orboros, it's a very similar argument to using Primal: if you aren't getting use out of both the hit and the damage buff side of things, it's probably not worth it. I've had it be useful in two situations:
Turn WGI into highly accurate, dirt cheap pow 12 weaponmasters (last stand and bears strength)
Assassination via Demo Corps
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Post by auraco on Jul 9, 2018 19:38:08 GMT
If you have experience playing circle orboros, it's a very similar argument to using Primal: if you aren't getting use out of both the hit and the damage buff side of things, it's probably not worth it. I've had it be useful in two situations: Turn WGI into highly accurate, dirt cheap pow 12 weaponmasters (last stand and bears strength) Assassination via Demo Corps That sounds about right. |
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