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Post by tapecrawler on Jul 6, 2018 3:32:41 GMT
There has been a few different discussions about the new Armored Corps and their relative slowness and it got me thinking about alternatives to one/two shock units, Demo corps and/or Bombadiers.
What about running a Strakhov2 list with Steelhead halberdiers and Valachev? Unless I’m mistaken, Steelheads have a native move of 6”, Valachev gives a 3” Zephyr move, and Strakhov2 has Battle Maneuvers which is a 5” reposition move. Could he also cast quicken on them? If so then they would have a 16” walk per turn? That’s pretty crazy if it would work.
I don’t own Strakhov2 so haven’t looked at his card much, but can he use Tactical Flexibility on every unit each turn? So he could conceivably use Battle Maneuvers on every unit? That seems crazy strong.
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Post by goodk4t on Jul 6, 2018 3:42:01 GMT
reposition 5 is only for strakhovs unit, he cant issue orders to normal warrior units
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Post by tapecrawler on Jul 6, 2018 4:22:13 GMT
That’s kinda what I thought. It wasn’t clear to me the way it’s written. Thanks for the clarification.
Edit: I went back and reread and it still confuses me a bit. It states “ each of it’s units activations”, that reads to me as a unit and not a model in Strakhov2’s unit. I’m not disagreeing with you by any means, I just wish the wording was more clearly stated.
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Post by hocestbellum on Jul 6, 2018 11:46:40 GMT
I considered something similar with the Nyss; SPD9 with pseudo-reposition, DEF16 to shooting, hunter, CRA, weaponmasters.
I'm still not keen on Strakhov2, though. I don't like that his damage boost destroys you. I quite like Lock the Target, but it's a shame it's so weak.
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Post by tapecrawler on Jul 6, 2018 13:53:16 GMT
The Nyss is an option but they are a premium unit with premium prices. The Halberdiers eight points cheaper and a good tar pit in my opinion. 2” reach with set defense and CMA means that they can shuffle up the board and be enough of a threat that they shouldn’t be ignored and any attacks on them are not hitting the MOW’s trudging up behind them. It seems okay on paper. I’d really like Alexia1 but her unit is not fast enough nor durable enough for my uses.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Jul 6, 2018 13:58:50 GMT
Quicken is enough to make it the fastest mow list. His biggest problem is inability to hit/damage fix without using Last stand which is obviously very bad in AK.
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Post by jonnyboy on Jul 6, 2018 15:50:16 GMT
That’s kinda what I thought. It wasn’t clear to me the way it’s written. Thanks for the clarification. Edit: I went back and reread and it still confuses me a bit. It states “ each of it’s units activations”, that reads to me as a unit and not a model in Strakhov2’s unit. I’m not disagreeing with you by any means, I just wish the wording was more clearly stated. Strakhov's " tactical flexibility reads "...Each model in the unit gains the benefit listed." Strakhov2 is a warcaster unit. The ability is refering to his unit.
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Post by sand20go on Jul 6, 2018 16:13:01 GMT
Quicken is enough to make it the fastest mow list. His biggest problem is inability to hit/damage fix without using Last stand which is obviously very bad in AK. +1. I haven't really figured out the right sauce for that (and it is a feature, not a bug). I think that if you went out of theme (Rags+Rust+A&H) + throwaways for Last stand you can get it there. But you have to be willing to do that. I wish that the opportunity cost to try stuff out of theme was lower to see if greater flexibility/options > losing the free points and theme benefits.
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Post by xadmar on Jul 6, 2018 17:21:06 GMT
What about using a unit of Press Gangers (min) as a group to contest and not get shut out of scenario?
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Post by sand20go on Jul 6, 2018 17:27:35 GMT
What about using a unit of Press Gangers (min) as a group to contest and not get shut out of scenario? Always good. But question - what about Hutchuck instead? You lose Ragman slot but cheap and you are near guaranteed getting him to where he needs to be.
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Post by xadmar on Jul 6, 2018 18:23:01 GMT
What about using a unit of Press Gangers (min) as a group to contest and not get shut out of scenario? Always good. But question - what about Hutchuck instead? You lose Ragman slot but cheap and you are near guaranteed getting him to where he needs to be. Why not both? :-D In my opinion Hutchuk is almost as good as Ragman when it comes to increasing your damage output and he has a lot of tricks.
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Post by sand20go on Jul 6, 2018 18:25:21 GMT
Always good. But question - what about Hutchuck instead? You lose Ragman slot but cheap and you are near guaranteed getting him to where he needs to be. Why not both? :-D In my opinion Hutchuk is almost as good as Ragman when it comes to increasing your damage output and he has a lot of tricks. You are then out of theme (just one merc solo slot). You have to weigh that carefully.
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Post by xadmar on Jul 6, 2018 18:45:48 GMT
Oh I did not mean Ragman and Hutchuk. I meant Hutchuk and the Press Gangers.
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Post by sand20go on Jul 6, 2018 19:02:46 GMT
Oh I did not mean Ragman and Hutchuk. I meant Hutchuk and the Press Gangers. Could work. Last standed PG sound HYSTERICAL
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Post by tapecrawler on Jul 6, 2018 21:27:00 GMT
That’s kinda what I was thinking with the Halberdiers. A last stand CMA could be game ending especially since they have 2” reach.
I’m probably barking up the wrong tree. I like the Steelhead models (all of them) and have been playing around trying to incorporate them into Khador. The theme restrictions have made it quite difficult. I thought the Steelhead Riflemen would be a cool addition to a LOS theme but I haven’t played around with it yet.
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