Builds that capitalize on crit freeze/ shatter?

eathotlead
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Builds that capitalize on crit freeze/ shatter? Jul 4, 2018 22:35:14 GMT

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Post by eathotlead on Jul 4, 2018 22:35:14 GMT

Komrades, I lack the play experience to do this, so I'm putting it to veterans of the Motherland: How do I max-out the shatter rule? Is it even a good idea? (I love it thematically.) I've been theory-machining Sorscha 1 and 3 with Beast 09 and a Juggy, a Forge Seer and 1-2 units of Demo Corps to deliver the beatdown. I've even been toying with mechaniks and a Tinker to keep the Demo Corps alive a bit longer, among other things.

I'd appreciate some lists with sound reasoning. Spam ice ax-wielding Juggies (even jack marshaled)? Themes other than AK? Casters? What else?

Play experience or veteran list building advice is appreciated. Or disabuse me of the notion altogether. I'm fleshing-out a 3/4 complete roster of AK-oriented models, so your advice may have real dollar impact, particularly regarding multiples.

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Builds that capitalize on crit freeze/ shatter? Jul 4, 2018 22:43:49 GMT hocestbellum likes this

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Post by mcdermott on Jul 4, 2018 22:43:49 GMT

eeeech, don't rely on crit anything. If you want to leverage freeze and shatter look to sorschas.

Edit: By which i mean the sorscha's will be doing the work for you, relying on crits is a terrible plan.

Also look for something that can additional die huge bases, i think the siege chariot can, because you cant stationary huge based models.

Last Edit: Jul 4, 2018 23:03:25 GMT by mcdermott

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Builds that capitalize on crit freeze/ shatter? Jul 5, 2018 0:25:52 GMT

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Post by blindfury on Jul 5, 2018 0:25:52 GMT

This is my current S1 list in AK:
Sorscha (+29)
Beast 09 (-18)
Marauder (-11)
Full Demolition Korps +UA (-20)
Full Bombadiers +UA (-20)
MOW Kovnik (free)
Forge Seer (free)
Grolar on the forge seer (-18)
A&H+Val (-12)
Orin (-5)

The list still needs some tweaking but provides access to magic weapons, multiple sources of stationary, different types of damage boosts, arcane vortex, and several sources of knockdown.
It has 4 cold immune models, 3 units, 3 solos, and hits like a ton of bricks—even more so on feat turn.

maxtermynd
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Builds that capitalize on crit freeze/ shatter? Jul 5, 2018 4:32:22 GMT

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Post by maxtermynd on Jul 5, 2018 4:32:22 GMT

Jul 5, 2018 0:25:52 GMT blindfury said:

This is my current S1 list in AK:
Sorscha (+29)
Beast 09 (-18)
Marauder (-11)
Full Demolition Korps +UA (-20)
Full Bombadiers +UA (-20)
MOW Kovnik (free)
Forge Seer (free)
Grolar on the forge seer (-18)
A&H+Val (-12)
Orin (-5)

The list still needs some tweaking but provides access to magic weapons, multiple sources of stationary, different types of damage boosts, arcane vortex, and several sources of knockdown.
It has 4 cold immune models, 3 units, 3 solos, and hits like a ton of bricks—even more so on feat turn.

First reaction: how do your models make it across the board? Fog of War only goes so far on DEF 10 models.

I can see what you're going for, though, but I think you really want to choose one of your plans (shatter corps or bombardier assassination) and focus on that. Right now it's a limited model count list with not a ton of durability to go with it, and even with shatter your Corps will struggle to get through more than one heavy at a time. EDIT: A+H will definitely help here, forgot about them.

Also- why not free UAs instead of the solos? You can squeeze in a min mechanic unit that way, and mechanics still count towards free models.

Last Edit: Jul 5, 2018 4:33:35 GMT by maxtermynd

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Builds that capitalize on crit freeze/ shatter? Jul 5, 2018 5:39:09 GMT via mobile

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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 5, 2018 5:39:09 GMT

You didn't specify a theme (I'm assuming you want to play AC, but you know what they say about assumptions) so... Greylords. Ternions, Koldun Lords; get those Ice Cages out there.

Put Freezer on Beast 09, preferably with an armour buff (so maybe Strak2) and stand him somewhere enticing... OK, that's a terrible plan, I'm basically scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

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Builds that capitalize on crit freeze/ shatter? Jul 5, 2018 10:08:17 GMT via mobile

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Post by welshhoppo on Jul 5, 2018 10:08:17 GMT

I wouldn't trust relying on crit freeze. Either go for the full effect via Sorscha1 or 3. Or something like Vlad2 with HoF and arcane might.

For example. I rolled 7 rolls with demo corps against a wold warden last night. Didn't roll a single double.

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Builds that capitalize on crit freeze/ shatter? Jul 5, 2018 14:41:40 GMT eathotlead and Juris like this

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Post by sand20go on Jul 5, 2018 14:41:40 GMT

The most underrated model that applies stationary is Dirty Meg (jacks only). 3 points. She can be screened by DemoCorp on the way in. Her biggest downside is that you are giving up the merc slot in theme....and the demo corp DESPERATELY need the theme benefit of Advanced move if they are going to get up the board in time to make any sort of difference...

(That just typed - someone should try a test game out of theme with Terniors and DemoCorp+Dragos+Kovnik with Malakov2. Stealthy Cloud walling DemoCopr that have Vengenance and some ice cagers seems like a miserable puzzle for your opponent to figure out. Add in the feat? Eeechs!!! I might just try it ;-)

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Builds that capitalize on crit freeze/ shatter? Jul 5, 2018 15:55:56 GMT via mobile

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Post by jonnyboy on Jul 5, 2018 15:55:56 GMT

I think what you want here is Sorscha1 with Sylys! I've had her in the back of my head. The goal is to wittle your opponent down with 16" stationaries with S&P to land them. Then once the game is in turn 3/4 pull off her amazing assassination.

You jam the enemy up with kayazy, devestator, shockies. Demos take out stationary heavy targets. Man even bombadiers are wiping out stationary targets. Lead with a stationary, advance shoot, next turn mini feat because they were stationary and didn't go anywhere!

Sorscha and sylys are like best friends.

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Khador - Ice Ice Baby

Theme: Armored Corps
3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army

Kommander Sorscha - WJ: +29
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 4
- Decimator - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15)
- Devastator - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14)

Man-O-War Kovnik - PC: 4
Man-O-War Strike Tanker - PC: 0
Man-O-War Strike Tanker - PC: 0

Kommandant Atanas Arconovich & Standard - Arconovich & Standard Bearer: 7
Man-O-War Shocktroopers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
- Man-O-War Shocktrooper Officer - PC: 4
Man-O-War Demolition Corps - Leader & 4 Grunts: 14
- Sergeant Dragos Dragadovich - PC: 0
Man-O-War Bombardiers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
- Man-O-War Bombardier Officer - PC: 5
Kayazy Eliminators - Leader & Grunt: 5

THEME: Armored Corps
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GENERATED : 07/05/2018 11:57:31
BUILD ID : 2067.18-06-10

Last Edit: Jul 5, 2018 15:57:45 GMT by jonnyboy

sand20go
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Builds that capitalize on crit freeze/ shatter? Jul 5, 2018 16:08:24 GMT

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Post by sand20go on Jul 5, 2018 16:08:24 GMT

Jul 5, 2018 15:55:56 GMT jonnyboy said:

I think what you want here is Sorscha1 with Sylys! I've had her in the back of my head. The goal is to wittle your opponent down with 16" stationaries with S&P to land them. Then once the game is in turn 3/4 pull off her amazing assassination.

You jam the enemy up with kayazy, devestator, shockies. Demos take out stationary heavy targets. Man even bombadiers are wiping out stationary targets. Lead with a stationary, advance shoot, next turn mini feat because they were stationary and didn't go anywhere!

Sorscha and sylys are like best friends.

War Room Army

Khador - Ice Ice Baby

Theme: Armored Corps
3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army

Kommander Sorscha - WJ: +29
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 4
- Decimator - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15)
- Devastator - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14)

Man-O-War Kovnik - PC: 4
Man-O-War Strike Tanker - PC: 0
Man-O-War Strike Tanker - PC: 0

Kommandant Atanas Arconovich & Standard - Arconovich & Standard Bearer: 7
Man-O-War Shocktroopers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
- Man-O-War Shocktrooper Officer - PC: 4
Man-O-War Demolition Corps - Leader & 4 Grunts: 14
- Sergeant Dragos Dragadovich - PC: 0
Man-O-War Bombardiers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16
- Man-O-War Bombardier Officer - PC: 5
Kayazy Eliminators - Leader & Grunt: 5

THEME: Armored Corps
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GENERATED : 07/05/2018 11:57:31
BUILD ID : 2067.18-06-10

Hmmmm......

Test out both Sylss but then have your opponent run a jack heavy build and find a point for e2 (maybe the eliminators?) I think the opportunity to disrupt a stationary jack is just too important for her and really allows you to exert maximum board control. I TOTALLY get that you are now required to boost freezing grip when you absolutely need it to hit. But it now only costs 3 and you can still do that and windrush away.

I think it is just a rare situation in which you see TWO infantry focused lists in a SR pair anymore (Maybe menoth?) and you don't want to be list locked unless you have the best balls to the wall anti-jack list ever seen ;-)

Builds that capitalize on crit freeze/ shatter?

Post by eathotlead on Jul 4, 2018 22:35:14 GMT

Post by mcdermott on Jul 4, 2018 22:43:49 GMT

Post by blindfury on Jul 5, 2018 0:25:52 GMT

Post by maxtermynd on Jul 5, 2018 4:32:22 GMT

Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 5, 2018 5:39:09 GMT

Post by welshhoppo on Jul 5, 2018 10:08:17 GMT

Post by sand20go on Jul 5, 2018 14:41:40 GMT

Post by eathotlead on Jul 5, 2018 15:20:29 GMT

Post by jonnyboy on Jul 5, 2018 15:55:56 GMT

Post by sand20go on Jul 5, 2018 16:08:24 GMT