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Zerkova2 in Jaws Jun 28, 2018 15:46:00 GMT thematsjo likes this

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Post by bearstronaut on Jun 28, 2018 15:46:00 GMT

So I've been playing around in WarRoom and with the inclusion of both of our juniors in Jaws, I was wondering if an interesting list could be make with Zerkova2 here. Essentially the plan is to use Zerkova's feat to abuse the Juniors and Forge Seers to supercharge a few 'jacks.

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Khador Army - 75 / 75 points

[Theme] Jaws of the Wolf

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[Zerkova 2] Obavnik Kommander Zerkova [+24]

- Behemoth [25]

Greylord Forge Seer [0(4)]

Greylord Forge Seer [0(4)]

Kovnik Andrei Malakov [4]

- Juggernaut [13]

- Juggernaut [13]

Kovnik Apprentice Kratikoff [4]

- Beast-09 [18]

Kayazy Eliminators [5]

Kayazy Eliminators [5]

Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8]

- Koldun Kapitan Valachev [4]

The core combo I look at with this list is:
Malakov allocates 1 to each Juggernaut, upkeeps Redline.
Sorscha allocates 1 to Beast-09 upkeeps FoW, activates and casts Boundless Charge on the Red Lined Juggernaut.
Forge Seer 1 allocates 1 Focus to Red Lined Juggernaut.
Forge Seer 2 allocates 1 Focus to Behemoth.
Red Line Juggernaut activates with Boundless Charge, Redline, and Full Focus.
Zerkova2 feats.
Malakov swaps Redline to second Juggernaut, Sorscha casts Boundless Charge on same Juggernaut.
Forge Seer 1 allocates to same Juggernaut. Forge Seer 2 allocates to Beast 09.

So what all this means is that on feat turn you have:
2 Fully Loaded Juggernauts benefiting from Redline and Boundless Charge.
Fully Loaded Beast-09
Behemoth with 2 focus for both Bombards.

This is all before Zerkova does anything with her own focus or even Aiyana doing anything.

Thoughts? Concerns? This is mostly a 'so dumb it could be good' kind of list, but if Zerkova2 ends up in Champions with Jaws as a theme I could see myself actively running it. I know some people will say that I'm not taking advantage of Sacrificial Lamb, but I think it is a trap spell to build a list around.

Another fun idea includes Sorscha handing out Boundless Charge to Eliminators or even the Reaver Guard.

Last Edit: Jun 28, 2018 15:55:56 GMT by bearstronaut

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Zerkova2 in Jaws Jun 28, 2018 17:25:43 GMT Juris likes this

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Post by Voodoogk on Jun 28, 2018 17:25:43 GMT

I've been playing Z2 for quite a long time, I do like her but I've been having a hard time justifying her recently.
The list build is somewhat awkward, you really want behemoth to be marshalled, I understand the points don't really work that way though, but its a shame not to use your blessed/magic weapon marshal since you obviously have the capability in the list. You're also running a 4 heavy build, which is not fantastic, most of the heavy builds start at 5 and go up from there, I'm worried that you're not going to have enough trade pieces, and you're not really doing all that much damage at range so it really comes down to how effeciently you can trade your 3 "not behemoths" before you lose that final piece. She is a good assassin, but you're sort of trading out her ability to do that very well for some mediocre-good jacks.
I understand your argument about sac lamb, but I'd say that only really applies if you're not running her with a jack wall, which you are, but you still can't use the spell.

I'm not saying it couldn't work, but it seems a little under the curve on paper at least, get some games in with it and find out for sure. I think you're also going to lose the juniors more often than you like since they're one of like 15 models in the list.

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Zerkova2 in Jaws Jun 28, 2018 17:31:55 GMT

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Post by smoothcriminal on Jun 28, 2018 17:31:55 GMT

I feel like you're doing too much work and using a feat for what is essentially a Harkevich casting Mobility.

If Z2 jaws is the only option available I would go with ranged jack spam and using feat to beat people in melee with them with 2x kiss, 2x boundless, 2x redline.

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Zerkova2 in Jaws Jun 28, 2018 17:47:08 GMT

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Post by hocestbellum on Jun 28, 2018 17:47:08 GMT

Another option to do even better would simply be run Vlad1 with two Forge Seers. Feat + SnP and you've almost got three fully loaded, SPD8, free charge SnP monsters.

Or Strakhov1, who basically doesn't pay for upkeeps and as such could have 4 fully fuelled jacks with pathfinder, free charges, and a threat range of 12", or three fully fuelled with Overrun kicking about.

But even then, there's more to running jacks than just focus. I would take Kozlov as a jack caster before Zerkova, for example, because Fury makes soloing enemy heavies trivial.

The more people tell me Sorscha0 is required to play jack lists, the more determined I am to never run her.

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Zerkova2 in Jaws Jun 28, 2018 18:03:23 GMT

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Post by auraco on Jun 28, 2018 18:03:23 GMT

Jun 28, 2018 17:47:08 GMT hocestbellum said:

Another option to do even better would simply be run Vlad1 with two Forge Seers. Feat + SnP and you've almost got three fully loaded, SPD8, free charge SnP monsters.

Or Strakhov1, who basically doesn't pay for upkeeps and as such could have 4 fully fuelled jacks with pathfinder, free charges, and a threat range of 12", or three fully fuelled with Overrun kicking about.

But even then, there's more to running jacks than just focus. I would take Kozlov as a jack caster before Zerkova, for example, because Fury makes soloing enemy heavies trivial.

This, just being able to fuel a couple of jack is noth enough to make Zerkova2 a good jack cast, or even a passable jack caster.
By all means try the list, but my impression is that it's just terrible with absolutely no chance of being in the so janky it works territory.

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Zerkova2 in Jaws Jun 28, 2018 18:16:34 GMT via mobile

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Post by agurus on Jun 28, 2018 18:16:34 GMT

Jun 28, 2018 15:46:00 GMT bearstronaut said:

This is mostly a 'so dumb it could be good' kind of list, but if Zerkova2 ends up in Champions with Jaws as a theme I could see myself actively running it.

Preview for ADR Season 8 showed Zerkova 1, if I am not mistake.

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Zerkova2 in Jaws Jun 28, 2018 22:55:22 GMT

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Post by bearstronaut on Jun 28, 2018 22:55:22 GMT

This never got farther than some playing around in War Room, so I'm not heart broken to hear what I was suspecting anyways. I've never played Zerkova2, was sort of hoping the juniors being allowed in Jaws gave me some shot at using her.

OH well, nothing of value was lost.