germanicus
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Post by germanicus on Jun 1, 2018 4:52:23 GMT
It's weird because it's been implied that Aiyana is a Seeker (though how wandering around on pirate ships helps the gods I don't know) but Holt is a human who pretty much only gets by on not being mage and being vouched for. AFAIK, the problem is that she's on record as being contemptuous of the Retribution, if one were being charitable. Now, I don't expect Aiyana to gain Partisan any time soon, but I'm not even sure I'd run her anyway... she took a hell of a hit going into Mk III, and for 8pts, MA 7 and DEF 14 (potential Stealth be damned) on a two model character unit is not worth it to me. Sure, you're mainly going to go after low DEF high box targets, but part of what made A&H worth 4pts to me (even though there were naysayers back then) was MA 8, which gave a solid chance of hitting stuff buffed to (or just native) DEF 14 and even DEF 15 if you were feeling frisky (though on a single throw of 2d6, I never bank on getting a 7+), but it allowed more flexibility. Not to mention that Partisan on Aiyana alone ('cos why would we ever have a Partisan round-ear?!) ironically makes Holt worse, so I'd rather spend the eight points on more damage output models. As she is now, upon adding Partisan, I'm probably going to run her with Rahn (maybe Issy/Kae) and that's about it. *theatrical shrug*
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tarnium
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Post by tarnium on Jun 8, 2018 8:53:24 GMT
Well, the weird thing is that Defenders of Ios can arguably have Eiryss and Caster as the only Retribution elements.
Aiyana might be sceptical about Retribution, but our faction is slowly turning to Iosan military instead of a killer cult.
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germanicus
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Post by germanicus on Jun 8, 2018 9:27:02 GMT
Well, the weird thing is that Defenders of Ios can arguably have Eiryss and Caster as the only Retribution elements. Aiyana might be sceptical about Retribution, but our faction is slowly turning to Iosan military instead of a killer cult. True, but in fairness, it could go either way... insomuch that because she dislikes the Retribution, she extends it to the rest of the Iosan military because of how they've taken up the Retribution's goals. *shrug* (though I will add that I don't know enough of the fluff to say this with any authority...!) I take it you're discounting House Shyeel & the Dawnguard for being close collaborators with the Retribution?
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tarnium
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Post by tarnium on Jun 8, 2018 12:20:03 GMT
Dawnguard are still professional soldiers with a cause, I don't think she would hate them. Vyros and house Shyeel however are quite opportunistic and try to gain political advantages by advancing Retribution's cause.
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on Jun 15, 2018 12:36:07 GMT
For those not in the Ret facebook group, this was posted yesterday by Jeff Olsen
"Curious what I played today in playtest?
This one is a little bit of a puzzle to determine some of our projected changes.
Theme: Shadows of the Retribution
Issyria, Sibyl of Dawn - WJ: +29 - Moros <! INVALID FOR THEME !> - PC: 11 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11) - Hemera - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 16) - Phoenix - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 2) - Manticore - PC: 14
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
Mage Hunter Infiltrators - Leader & 9 Grunts: 13 - Eiryss, Mage Hunter Commander - PC: 6 Mage Hunter Strike Force - Leader & 9 Grunts: 16 - Mage Hunter Strike Force Commander - PC: 4 Spears of Scyrah - Leader & 2 Grunts: 9"
That list comes out to 84 points before using the free solos (the only models in there that qualify ATM are Arcanists). So it looks like either jacks contribute to free points, the free points threshold has been lowered, or CAs can be taken for free. The last two seem most likely; taking Eiryss and the MHSF Com for free would drop to 74 points but also put you below the threshold for 2 free bits.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jun 15, 2018 13:48:12 GMT
Well, Moros is getting added to the theme. Looks like the easiest way to get it under the threshold would be to allow for Eiryss and the Strike Force Commander to be taken free as you say. However, that puts only 38 points in units. I think it's unlikely that the threshold would go down to 15 like Sons because there are actually full sized units in this theme that can do some work. I guess maybe Arcanists could count?
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on Jun 15, 2018 13:51:21 GMT
It's possible the Phoenix also took a heavy point discount? Or solos are also counting towards free points, which would put you at 44 with free CAs. Curiouser and curiouser. Also, yea, Moros in theme is cool, just wasn't much to speculate about there lol.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jun 15, 2018 14:02:25 GMT
It doesn't have to be a heavy point discount. If you don't take the one CA for free, you break the threshold and 1 of the Arcanists can be free, so if any of the jacks got a 1 point discount, it fits. That seems the most likely I think, rather than Arcanists counting.
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on Jun 15, 2018 14:19:30 GMT
It doesn't have to be a heavy point discount. If you don't take the one CA for free, you break the threshold and 1 of the Arcanists can be free, so if any of the jacks got a 1 point discount, it fits. That seems the most likely I think, rather than Arcanists counting. Fair. I'd be pretty happy with the Phoenix going to 17 or Moros going to 10. Doubt Hemera will get any cheaper; she's already really good for her cost.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Jun 15, 2018 18:17:46 GMT
Id like to see moros get magical weapons... considering like... all of our other jacks have them...
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Post by oncomingstorm on Jun 15, 2018 20:45:53 GMT
It doesn't have to be a heavy point discount. If you don't take the one CA for free, you break the threshold and 1 of the Arcanists can be free, so if any of the jacks got a 1 point discount, it fits. That seems the most likely I think, rather than Arcanists counting. Fair. I'd be pretty happy with the Phoenix going to 17 or Moros going to 10. Doubt Hemera will get any cheaper; she's already really good for her cost. I just want the phoenix to be able to combust while charging.
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germanicus
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Post by germanicus on Jun 20, 2018 4:37:15 GMT
I'll probably have to re-watch the game just to be sure... but has Vengeance been transferred back to the Dawnguard Sentinel CA?
Schick didn't use it at all... (or is this just paranoia, since he missed the long range penalty rule and perhaps felt sorry for trashing Dallas?)
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Post by elladan52 on Jun 20, 2018 13:04:39 GMT
I'll probably have to re-watch the game just to be sure... but has Vengeance been transferred back to the Dawnguard Sentinel CA? Schick didn't use it at all... (or is this just paranoia, since he missed the long range penalty rule and perhaps felt sorry for trashing Dallas?) What game?
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Post by falkman on Jun 20, 2018 13:12:56 GMT
I’m guessing the Company of iron-game from a few weeks back, where the Battle mage and Artificer changes were announced.
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germanicus
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Post by germanicus on Jun 24, 2018 1:26:23 GMT
So... LnL Dev hangout seemed to have a lot... I might actually shell out for Destors, G4 is playable, Ravyn/Hyperion is making me moist, Shadows just a whole lot more flex, SFA as Houseguard gives us some interesting options...
Discuss...!
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