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Post by gobber on May 28, 2018 17:59:37 GMT
Actually if you had the original cads you probably could have had even better quality cause I know some of it gets lost in the scanning transition. Btw does anyone know a good 3d cad freeware. I want to make terrain TinkerCAD's by far the easiest printing-focused cad software to pick up (running in your browser is nice too). TinkerCAD is particularly great for minor stuff like adding details (ie slapping a khador logo on a building) and splitting big models into sections small enough to print. Blender is open source 3d design software capable of a lot more but isn't nearly as easy. Those are distinct from the slicer program (usually cura or slic3r) needed to translate the 3d model into the gcode movement instructions for your printer; you can rescale/rotate/multiply models and otherwise arrange them on the build plate but any edits have to be done in the cad program first.
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Post by W0lfBane on May 28, 2018 21:14:37 GMT
My mate usually takes care of the slicing cause he has the 3d printer. I have solidworks knowledge so I usually do the actual CADing but solidworks is probs expensive
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Post by Ganso on May 28, 2018 21:27:23 GMT
The free version of SketchUp with the STL Extension is pretty cool and easy to use. I made some widgets with it that I uploaded to ShapeWays for printing (that I then had delivered to my PMB).
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Post by macdaddy on May 28, 2018 22:35:40 GMT
I think the big draw for 3d printing is The terrain options. I really like the area of making nice looking terrain without having to get too crazy with crafting supplies.
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Post by unded on May 28, 2018 22:42:42 GMT
A guy in my local Kings of War group 3D-printed bases for his units (Kings of War has regiments similar to the old Warhammer Fantasy, with the exception that you never remove individual models, so you really can create cool dioramas in your units) and I gotta say it's really awesome what you can accomplish.
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Post by gobber on May 28, 2018 23:27:33 GMT
Some examples of 3d printed terrain for Star Wars legion to demonstrate the how damn pretty it can get (everything you see except the troopers and walkers was printed; some parts like the Y wing have secondary plasticard greebling added by hand). We're just starting to see some fully urban tables coming together (again 2 months since legion's release severely limits how much you can print) 1
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Post by hocestbellum on May 29, 2018 11:29:27 GMT
Oh, wow, that looks great!
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Post by boozy on May 29, 2018 12:41:37 GMT
Oh, wow, that looks great! It really does. I especially like the terrain for RPG purposes. I wonder...if all those video games with fantastic background/location art can be rendered into a 3D printer file format? If so, I'd sink the money and find a way to do it in a heartbeat. Incredible terrain take a campaign really far.
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Post by macdaddy on May 29, 2018 14:26:55 GMT
gobber, any suggestions on where I can get a cheap 3D printer like you have? I would absolutely love to start printing terrain...Those star wars legions sets just sold me on it for good.
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Post by elladan52 on May 29, 2018 14:46:50 GMT
Yeah, that terrain is amazing.
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on May 29, 2018 14:47:00 GMT
I'm definitely planning to pick up a 3D printer at some point for terrain, but I'm not sure that they're going to replace miniatures any time soon. From what I've seen in person the detail still just isn't there for most affordable commercial printers. I could see a point where stores want to start having a printer and PP and other studios will need to consider some sort of 3D file licensing structure (certainly would save them money) for those that have the will and means to get their models that way. I'm just not sure it's that close yet. Seeing as PP uses high-quality 3D printing for their tests and masters I'm sure they're keeping an eye on this part of the market and will make some sort of move once the balance starts to tip.
Of course you'll also have those of us who enjoy model assembly, modification, and posing as a physical activity that just can't be replicated by learning to manipulate and pose 3D print files. As long as there's enough of those to justify costs there will likely still be traditional model boxes.
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Post by Fang on May 29, 2018 15:55:39 GMT
I'm not expert in 3D printing, so I apologize if this youtube video has something wrong with it but looking at the quality of the prints from this 700euro printer I think we might be getting closer to the point where minis are possible: www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YrUQOYLoK0Jump to 15:45 minutes to see a primed, scaled down a large castle to a bit smaller than a medium base pp model. (He prints it at 9:50 if you wanna see it in action). Most of the prints in the video are larger, but there are a few smaller ones as well (after the castle he does two smaller pieces).
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Post by gobber on May 29, 2018 18:17:49 GMT
Woo! I'd love to see y'all join in on printing because that'll result in everyone being able to print each others' designs! boozy yes you absolutely can though it takes a bit of work (extraction, conversion from game assets to models, repairing any parts of the model that didn't convert). It's really hard to know the original source with some of the star wars stuff, but I'd put money on that v35 landspeeder in the second picture being somehow descended from a video game file. Definitely not legal to distribute files from video games; extracting files yourself from games you own for your personal use might fall within fair use but we're way beyond decided legal precedent at this point. macdaddy I got mine from gearbest which seems to be a pretty popular source; they have a constant rotation of sales going on. HubertJFarnsworth the real potential is being able to combine the two by printing weaponswaps, etc. In the meantime, greenstuff and plasticard skills are used to add detail to prints. FWIW many models print better when sectioned into pieces so assembly won't necessarily go away with printed models (doesn't need as many printed supports which have to be detached, which generally need to be sanded and can cause breakage. Fang SLA (stereolithography) and DLP (digital light projection) printers can absolutely do miniatures! You can also upload models to shapeways to make things at a really reasonable cost and get them in the mail a week later. Also the anycubic photon is more like ~$500 USD. Wanhao's duplicator 7 and the monoprice mini are in the same $500 price range. The sparkmaker is only $289 but apparently only prints right 30% of the time and might want expensive proprietary resins. Legion folks have been pumping custom minis out as well:
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Post by gmonkey on May 29, 2018 18:33:55 GMT
Wow. I haven't popped my head into this thread in a while, but now I have, and I find that we're already at a place I thought was years away with 3D printing. One of my favorite science fiction authors and fututists, Cory Doctorow, wrote a short story called Printcrime ( click here to read it) in which the main character is going to jail for 3D printing pharmaceuticals and laptops. (Yeah, we aren't quite there yet) As far as Privateer Press and Warmachine go, I'm a bit torn because I can totally see both sides of this argument. The advent of this tech level of 3D printing effectively means that PP's business model is (at some point) going to no longer be viable unless the IP police lock things down to a degree I think would be problematic. And while Hollywood is big and profitable enough to weather the piracy that does go on, I don't think PP is nearly as profitable a company. I've always been of the mind that piracy is not thievery because nobody is being deprived of property. But at the same time, I can definately see 3D printing leading to the end of Warmachine as a living game. As long as PP is able to stay in business and sell models, they'll continue to tweak and balance our favorite game. But they're not going to be able to do that without a paycheck. The whole thing just makes me kind of sad. Maybe I'll start buying warmachine models from DiscountGamesInc and brick and mortars instead of EBay now, for the same reason that I buy Cory Doctorow's books in hardcover rather than just reading them from his website. I like to support the people that make the things I love. At the same time, I won't fault those who do what they do in order to enjoy stuff they otherwise couldn't afford.
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Post by Fang on May 29, 2018 18:55:28 GMT
Woo! I'd love to see y'all join in on printing because that'll result in everyone being able to print each others' designs! *snip* Fang SLA (stereolithography) and DLP (digital light projection) printers can absolutely do miniatures! You can also upload models to shapeways to make things at a really reasonable cost and get them in the mail a week later. Also the anycubic photon is more like ~$500 USD. Wanhao's duplicator 7 and the monoprice mini are in the same $500 price range. The sparkmaker is only $289 but apparently only prints right 30% of the time and might want expensive proprietary resins. Legion folks have been pumping custom minis out as well: Yeah if I look for it in dollars I get the same price, but in euros its 700 near me But thats still cheaper than trying to import one haha. I've been wanting one for a while, ever since I did some work with bioprinting, but don't have that kind of money unfortunately. Maybe one day when I get all my degrees and life in order ^.^ With the price in mind, and looking at the resin costs, I don't think its quite at the point where is cheaper than just buying though. You have the buy in price, + all the material you burn learning from your mistakes that you'll need to pay out over all that you print for it to be an economical advantage, so you'd be printing an army's worth of miniatures to get your money's worth out of a printer. Its getting there though!
Wow. I haven't popped my head into this thread in a while, but now I have, and I find that we're already at a place I thought was years away with 3D printing. One of my favorite science fiction authors and fututists, Cory Doctorow, wrote a short story called Printcrime ( click here to read it) in which the main character is going to jail for 3D printing pharmaceuticals and laptops. (Yeah, we aren't quite there yet) As far as Privateer Press and Warmachine go, I'm a bit torn because I can totally see both sides of this argument. The advent of this tech level of 3D printing effectively means that PP's business model is (at some point) going to no longer be viable unless the IP police lock things down to a degree I think would be problematic. And while Hollywood is big and profitable enough to weather the piracy that does go on, I don't think PP is nearly as profitable a company. I've always been of the mind that piracy is not thievery because nobody is being deprived of property. But at the same time, I can definately see 3D printing leading to the end of Warmachine as a living game. As long as PP is able to stay in business and sell models, they'll continue to tweak and balance our favorite game. But they're not going to be able to do that without a paycheck. The whole thing just makes me kind of sad. Maybe I'll start buying warmachine models from DiscountGamesInc and brick and mortars instead of EBay now, for the same reason that I buy Cory Doctorow's books in hardcover rather than just reading them from his website. I like to support the people that make the things I love. At the same time, I won't fault those who do what they do in order to enjoy stuff they otherwise couldn't afford. To maybe cheer you up a bit, I've found steps like PP's use of DriveThru RPG and their card's database show they are moving in ways that make sense for the new world. The alt caster rules being sold as print on demand is the kind of thing that will help them last a bit longer I think (print on demand minis could reduce storage costs or something, and 3D printing can cut down on material costs with smart design (instead of being solid using a hollow inside with proper supporting bridges inside)). Moving more in house for sale helps PP stay afloat too, but at the cost of their overseas markets at this time I'm afraid. As long as they use the money they are making now to survive tomorrow, I think it'll be ok.
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