privvy
Junior Strategist
Formerly The Nomad on PP's forums
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Post by privvy on Dec 28, 2019 20:29:14 GMT
His reply to me just proved he being intentionally obtuse and there is no further discussion to be had.
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Post by Charistoph on Dec 29, 2019 4:53:23 GMT
You seem to feel attacked by my contribution to the discussion. I can't find another reason why you would be so defensive about this. You seem to be trying to play devil's advocate yet are so entrenched in the position you're entertaining that you're taking it personally. You addressed a point I, and I alone, made. Should I not respond to it if I feel I need to address it? His reply to me just proved he being intentionally obtuse and there is no further discussion to be had. Who is being obtuse when you do not address my argument, but continue arguing about the same thing of which I am NOT arguing? You do not know my mind, yet you seek to label me.
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zhoe
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Post by zhoe on Dec 29, 2019 7:37:30 GMT
can somebudy prz maek me a mod so i. can ban dis stupid ?thred
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Post by droopingpuppy on Dec 29, 2019 10:11:09 GMT
Honestly, I doubt that the thread can go any constructive ways.
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Post by shiza on Dec 30, 2019 18:24:45 GMT
so everyone ignoring that company can give away free stuff in promoting, using your words they steal too. Because they do not have any profit from this. Hey, are any economists here or this is regular "sofa analytics" thread? No one in this thread argued that PP cannot decide to give away free promotional products. Who are you even replying too? i am replying to all persons who discussing second hand market and that recasting do not make direct profit to PP. I am too lazy to search that post and quote it.
Example regarding their logic: PP give away stuff for free = they do not get profit = stuff are object of IP = PP are pirates.
recasting can give profit to company, because, second time repeat, it is a way of promoting. New players can be attracted by cheap prices, high quality, availability and then move to the original models. Recasters cannot fill all the line of available models, this is not a GW or FW with hundreds of recasters, there are only tens all over the world.
stealing IP is a bad thing, but not the worst.
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Post by Charistoph on Dec 30, 2019 18:42:50 GMT
Example regarding their logic: PP give away stuff for free = they do not get profit = stuff are object of IP = PP are pirates. Well, they are Privateer Press and privateers are licensed pirates for someone. Kind of like when Bart hits a Cygnar transport for Cryx or the Protectorate.
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Post by Havock on Dec 30, 2019 18:57:29 GMT
can somebudy prz maek me a mod so i. can ban dis stupid ?thred Silly shoe, we do not ban threads, we lock them. We ban accounts.
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zhoe
Junior Strategist
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Post by zhoe on Dec 30, 2019 19:33:53 GMT
can somebudy prz maek me a mod so i. can ban dis stupid ?thred Silly shoe, we do not ban threads, we lock them. We ban accounts.
u shuld maek an acception and ban dis one tho
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gupp
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Post by gupp on Jan 6, 2020 1:47:46 GMT
I just got a $120 gargantuas for 75. It seems eBay, Amazon, and the like can still get you crazy deals that make recast seem a little pointless.
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crimsyn
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Post by crimsyn on Jan 7, 2020 0:12:26 GMT
recasting can give profit to company, because, second time repeat, it is a way of promoting. New players can be attracted by cheap prices, high quality, availability and then move to the original models. Recasters cannot fill all the line of available models, this is not a GW or FW with hundreds of recasters, there are only tens all over the world.
stealing IP is a bad thing, but not the worst.
WMH is one of the most expensive mini games around. It also has a declining player base. PP get more benefits from just getting people sitting down and actually playing the game than they do from excluding people who could just go to cheaper games (read: literally almost all mini wargames except maybe 40k and AoS, except they both have better small skirmish games like Kill team to soften the blow). Players who wouldn't have bought in the first place buys recast mini --> plays and joins a community --> that community attracts more players --> those extra players purchase official PP models --> original recast bro might pick up a solo or two from the FLGS for their army rather than go through the hassle of waiting for a recast solo to save a few $$ --> PP profits. Aside from whether or not someone maybe buying one or two $12 models at some point down the road justifies recasting hundreds of dollars worth of product, either ethically or from the perspective of keeping PP in business and encouraging them to make more cool models that we like... This isn't a very convincing argument because there are many ways for people who are facing cost barriers to start playing and participate in a community without going to recasters. And good communities will give these new players a helping hand. New players can borrow models and use proxies. They can get started with a secondhand lot on the cheap. They can make standees or use some sort of substitute for the original model, which should work from a gameplay perspective so long as they have the right base size. They can stick to one or two theme forces rather than switching factions every time a new hotness comes out. They can play at lower points levels than 75 points so they need fewer models, which they probably should be doing if they are new to the game anyways. Now, not all of those methods are tournament-legal according to the Steamroller document and most TOs, but neither are recast models.
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Post by beardmonk on Jan 8, 2020 14:44:27 GMT
I just got a $120 gargantuas for 75. It seems eBay, Amazon, and the like can still get you crazy deals that make recast seem a little pointless. Not if you can get NIB recasts for Gargs, Character Deasts/Jacks, expensive units, BAHI models etc for essentially peanuts compared to the cost of the model normally. In the UK/EU it takes longer to get those models from PP so it can be cheaper and quicker to go to recasters. Again for the record, i do not support recasters. On a flip side you do raise a good point that the best way to get PP product is via 2nd hand ebay etc. Which is not a good look.
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