xadmar
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Post by xadmar on Apr 13, 2018 16:35:58 GMT
PPS Pagani: Finally they got rid of Snipe! Fire for Effect still seems very powerful, but at least some big combos are gone. Yet, some models with FFE seems scary. Denny in the meantime probably got even more powerful. Cryx always had a strong game against armor, but a strong hit fixer in every list seems very strong... Just remember FFE is the first shot only. Works great with Blockhouse and weapon crews but has less impact on warjacks since it is a boost. If you pay 3 focus you are essentially over paying by a focus Might be decent with some models that have two or more attacks like Grenadiers. So far I like it more then snipe.
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Post by Aegis on Apr 13, 2018 16:36:10 GMT
Is it a time for Trencher Cannon Crew, huh? I don't think that FFE is useful with a coloosal since it can boost already. If you want FOUR boosted damage rolls it is indeed a quite noticeable progress, though. Yeah, the most valuable targets for FFE are IMHO: - Trencher Cannon Crew - Gun Mage Capitain Adept - Thunderhead (Boosted Pulse) - Jacks being Marshalled (Hunter or Avenger on Gun Mages comes to mind) - The guy that shots in a combined ranged attack - Siege1 - Falk
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cain
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Post by cain on Apr 13, 2018 16:39:40 GMT
FFE is not good enough that i will buy him.
Never seen the use of it on collosess. Our collosses is generally not that competetiv anymore. If you have one arcan shield is needed.
Played lots of ecain, but FFE was almost never cast. Dont have any good cannons either ala the dwarf gun. And he is not allowed in gravediggers either.
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Post by Aegis on Apr 13, 2018 16:42:26 GMT
FFE is not good enough that i will buy him. Never seen the use of it on collosess. Our collosses is generally not that competetiv anymore. If you have one arcan shield is needed. Played lots of ecain, but FFE was almost never cast. Dont have any good cannons either ala the dwarf gun. And he is not allowed in gravediggers either. Actually, you can have exactly the Dwarf Cannon if you want (Murdoc)... Also, the main selling point of Caine should be his personal contribution (two multi-ammo shots with Mage Bullet inside, ping pong tactics with Spirit Door). More than enough for a JR. Also, see the previous list.
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cain
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Post by cain on Apr 13, 2018 16:52:44 GMT
In heavy metal my free solos are usually squire, junior and arlan. I wouldnt not considered changing that for cain0.
In storm division i usually only gets to 2 free solos, of the three named.
Cant see a place for him. He has some gimmick stuff but not so important. The other three solos are key stuff.
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Post by Aegis on Apr 13, 2018 16:53:00 GMT
I would also add:
- Herne & Jhon (3 full boosted AoEs) - Dwarf Artillery Corps (RNG 16 AoE 4 gun, with 4d6+14 damage on the main target) - Hurricane secondary guns (RNG 15 AoE 4 guns) - Arlan Spray - Tr. Master Gunner Spray
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cain
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Post by cain on Apr 13, 2018 16:54:27 GMT
FFE is not good enough that i will buy him. Never seen the use of it on collosess. Our collosses is generally not that competetiv anymore. If you have one arcan shield is needed. Played lots of ecain, but FFE was almost never cast. Dont have any good cannons either ala the dwarf gun. And he is not allowed in gravediggers either. Actually, you can have exactly the Dwarf Cannon if you want (Murdoc)... Also, the main selling point of Caine should be his personal contribution (two multi-ammo shots with Mage Bullet inside, ping pong tactics with Spirit Door). More than enough for a JR. Also, see the previous list. Dwarf cannon with murdouch.....? Wow. Well seems fun. But not quite competing with holt&ayana or just more points for core thing in theme.
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Post by Aegis on Apr 13, 2018 16:59:51 GMT
Worst case at all, it is still 2 extra pseudo-focuses (over the 3 limit) on a Jack or a nice thing for Caine to put on himslef (Boosted Magic bullet seems mean for support hunting).
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Apr 13, 2018 17:17:06 GMT
I'm happy with FFE, T-head is a good candidate, even without a pulse to get a fully boosted first shot with sustained attack will leave him with focus to buy 2 more and boost the damage on one of them.
I could think of some nice Nemo 2 or Nemo 1 builds in Heavy Metal
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xadmar
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Post by xadmar on Apr 13, 2018 17:18:56 GMT
Actually, you can have exactly the Dwarf Cannon if you want (Murdoc)... Also, the main selling point of Caine should be his personal contribution (two multi-ammo shots with Mage Bullet inside, ping pong tactics with Spirit Door). More than enough for a JR. Also, see the previous list. Dwarf cannon with murdouch.....? Wow. Well seems fun. But not quite competing with holt&ayana or just more points for core thing in theme. Now imagine that cannon with a snipe caster and FFE from Caine0 in Heavy Metal... I think that might be able to hit deployment.
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Post by cygnarstronk on Apr 13, 2018 17:21:29 GMT
Useless, most of the stuff that needed/liked FFE is in gravediggers. Only way I can see it working for real is on THead pulse, and even then meh.
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Post by Aegis on Apr 13, 2018 17:28:00 GMT
Useless, most of the stuff that needed/liked FFE is in gravediggers. Only way I can see it working for real is on THead pulse, and even then meh. Did you read the list? Would you spit on an Avenger with a full boosted AoE4 that KD all? (Maybe with Snipe and +2 DMG if marshalled by Gun Mages?) Arlan or Falk Sprays are useless full boosted? Siege1 Ground Pounder full boosted is useless? Dynamo getting 2 extra free boosts is useless? GMCA, B13 or Tempest Blazers getting +4d6 damage at crazy good hitting chances is useless? And all that while keeping his super-solo role with 2 magic-bullet shots and movement shenigans... I think that it's more than enough for a solo to gain a place in most lists.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Apr 13, 2018 17:29:24 GMT
Dwarf cannon with murdouch.....? Wow. Well seems fun. But not quite competing with holt&ayana or just more points for core thing in theme. Now imagine that cannon with a snipe caster and FFE from Caine0 in Heavy Metal... I think that might be able to hit deployment. Can't have snipe and FFE on the same model
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Post by Aegis on Apr 13, 2018 17:30:37 GMT
Now imagine that cannon with a snipe caster and FFE from Caine0 in Heavy Metal... I think that might be able to hit deployment. Can't have snipe and FFE on the same model I know what you meant, but actually you can. Gun Mages models and Jacks marshalled by them have Snipe.
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xadmar
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Post by xadmar on Apr 13, 2018 17:31:18 GMT
Now imagine that cannon with a snipe caster and FFE from Caine0 in Heavy Metal... I think that might be able to hit deployment. Can't have snipe and FFE on the same model Is FFE an upkeep? From the above "Fire for Effect 3 6 – – UP No" Edit:I think I see my misunderstanding. UP means it is an upkeep and No means its not offensive. I took it as its not an upkeep I dont own Caine 2 and have never played him so have limited experience with it.
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