spideredd
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Post by spideredd on Apr 7, 2018 20:19:07 GMT
Makes sense, both of them. I hope that this puts an end to both Nemo3 and Electro-Leap whines, but my experience suggest me that it would be optimistic to think so. The only issue I have with this change is that makes SD even less appealing. Now that "All models gain electrical immunity" not only occupies a bonus slot while doing nothing useful (almost all models already have immunity in that list), but also becomes a negative in the sense that I can't put in one of the few models that aren't immune just to function as sparknode. I would really like to see that benefit being changed for something useful, maybe for Stormguard. I could get behind that. Now that Stormlances are a little more manageable, maybe a +2" deployment? edit: Whoops, you already get advance move. Maybe Relentless Charge or something similar.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Apr 7, 2018 22:54:59 GMT
Makes sense, both of them. I hope that this puts an end to both Nemo3 and Electro-Leap whines, but my experience suggest me that it would be optimistic to think so. The only issue I have with this change is that makes SD even less appealing. Now that "All models gain electrical immunity" not only occupies a bonus slot while doing nothing useful (almost all models already have immunity in that list), but also becomes a negative in the sense that I can't put in one of the few models that aren't immune just to function as sparknode. I would really like to see that benefit being changed for something useful, maybe for Stormguard. Next stop, nerfs for Haley3! (just kidding, I think she's probably fine once you remove the immense constraint on possible Cygnar drops that Nemo3 causes.)
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Post by bloodsplatterartist on Apr 8, 2018 2:35:21 GMT
It makes sense, electricity seeks the path of least resistance, and immunity can be conceptualized as being grounded, so the lightning just grounds out instead of leaping out. It does hurt us, but it makes it a hell of a lot more fair. I hear that argument alot for e leaps but going through the old lore books most storm tech isn't grounded it's insulated. Storm armor is designed to allow electricity to flow around it without disrupting or dispersing the current. The fist change with the dice makes sense as no insulator can 100% stop all electrical currents, but the suits shouldn't actually kill the current as alot of people like to argue. Granted I know will has said several times that they will no longer use lore as a reason to defend or remove dumb rules like they have for the last 15 years so I guess it doesn't matter anyway.
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Post by spideredd on Apr 8, 2018 6:02:29 GMT
Makes sense, both of them. I hope that this puts an end to both Nemo3 and Electro-Leap whines, but my experience suggest me that it would be optimistic to think so. The only issue I have with this change is that makes SD even less appealing. Now that "All models gain electrical immunity" not only occupies a bonus slot while doing nothing useful (almost all models already have immunity in that list), but also becomes a negative in the sense that I can't put in one of the few models that aren't immune just to function as sparknode. I would really like to see that benefit being changed for something useful, maybe for Stormguard. Next stop, nerfs for Haley3! (just kidding, I think she's probably fine once you remove the immense constraint on possible Cygnar drops that Nemo3 causes.) I sense a change coming to the rules for incorporeal. She'll get hit by that, if it happens. I hope not too hard though.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Apr 8, 2018 6:11:32 GMT
Next stop, nerfs for Haley3! (just kidding, I think she's probably fine once you remove the immense constraint on possible Cygnar drops that Nemo3 causes.) I sense a change coming to the rules for incorporeal. She'll get hit by that, if it happens. I hope not too hard though. That's fair. I can see that happening too. Actually, given the upcoming nerfs to Nemo3, I'm kind of anticipating a fairly significant balance errata roundabout lock n load this year - personally, I'm hoping that it hits some of the worst offenders in Cryx, Skorne, and Grymkin (that last is highly unlikely, admittedly). I've kind of noticed that you can often tell when an upcoming out-of-CID nerf/change is coming by how the Devs act in CID - if something is up to be nerfed, they typically won't shut down discussion of it quite as hard as they otherwise would, and they won't comment on threads about the offending model/rule (whereas when they're not considering changes, they'll usually say it outright). I noticed it with Haley2 in GD, and the pattern has repeated itself with Nemo3, Coven, and the changes to lightning immunity (I started a whole thread earlier in this CID proposing this exact change, which the devs neither shut down nor commented on).
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Post by Provengreil on Apr 9, 2018 3:17:29 GMT
It makes sense, electricity seeks the path of least resistance, and immunity can be conceptualized as being grounded, so the lightning just grounds out instead of leaping out. It does hurt us, but it makes it a hell of a lot more fair. I hear that argument alot for e leaps but going through the old lore books most storm tech isn't grounded it's insulated. Storm armor is designed to allow electricity to flow around it without disrupting or dispersing the current. The fist change with the dice makes sense as no insulator can 100% stop all electrical currents, but the suits shouldn't actually kill the current as alot of people like to argue. Granted I know will has said several times that they will no longer use lore as a reason to defend or remove dumb rules like they have for the last 15 years so I guess it doesn't matter anyway. If we're doing science, and they've got a bit of rubber or whatever between the metal on the outside and the meatbag on the inside, any sort of directed lightning attack would still have a shorter distance to travel from the spark node to the ground than from the spark node to a target to the ground. Also, depending on what they're making the metal bits out of, it would be very easy for the sparknoding tactic to superheat the metal and end up searing the armor into the guy's skin or causing some other forms of nastiness. Energy will transform into different states, after all. Ultimately, though, there's a reason weaponized lightning remains a mid-to-high fantasy concept, even most science fiction doesn't go there because of all the science issues. Take it as a game mechanic first and go from there or you'll never reach a good endpoint.
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Post by cygnarstronk on Apr 10, 2018 11:56:12 GMT
Please, let's stop ith realistic and scientific thinking. It's a game where a guy in full plate armor+shield gets easily killed by an arrow from a bow.
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Post by Cyel on Apr 10, 2018 12:31:39 GMT
Please, let's stop ith realistic and scientific thinking. It's a game where a guy in full plate armor+shield gets easily killed by an arrow from a bow. Compared to a mystic tree or band of mischievous gremlins from your nightmares being convinced to become a religious zealot I'd say it's pretty reasonable
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Apr 10, 2018 12:53:04 GMT
Please, let's stop ith realistic and scientific thinking. It's a game where a guy in full plate armor+shield gets easily killed by an arrow from a bow. Compared to a mystic tree or band of mischievous gremlins from your nightmares being convinced to become a religious zealot I'd say it's pretty reasonable My favourite is a tentacle becoming a humanoid pirate.
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Post by Provengreil on Apr 10, 2018 13:02:27 GMT
Compared to a mystic tree or band of mischievous gremlins from your nightmares being convinced to become a religious zealot I'd say it's pretty reasonable My favourite is a tentacle becoming a humanoid pirate. Couldn't Vindictus hand mountain kings a robe and a worship manual if he actually managed to kill one, last edition?
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Post by Soul Samurai on Apr 10, 2018 13:05:59 GMT
My favourite is a tentacle becoming a humanoid pirate. Humanoid is a relative term... tent-1458319187158_270h.jpg (17.38 KB)I was thinking about trying to photoshop an eyepatch on, but then I realised I had no idea where it would go...
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Post by cygnarstronk on Apr 10, 2018 13:14:26 GMT
Lol guys this is seriously funny
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Post by supercancel on Apr 10, 2018 13:24:25 GMT
I believe a Mammoth was turned into a pirate in a major tournament a few years ago.
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Post by Hashmal on Apr 10, 2018 14:13:42 GMT
My favourite is a tentacle becoming a humanoid pirate. Couldn't Vindictus hand mountain kings a robe and a worship manual if he actually managed to kill one, last edition? Any living model. The MK was the most hilarious interaction, but others abounded. Heck, some still do, like froggy Warcaster/Warlock kills. Picture this exchange between Kallus and Vindy: K: You can do nothing to me! I am literally a soulless construct, a pure extension of his will! I know nothing but his power and his rule. V: Sounds good, could you hold still while I hit you with this stick? *whack* K: I HAVE A SOUL! PRAISE MENOTH! V: Great, here's your robe and complimentary sack of grenades. Punch bowl's in the back.
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Post by Provengreil on Apr 10, 2018 15:09:08 GMT
Or literally any convertable model in Grymkin.
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